What if I dont want to do it larrys way?

@Twigley:

Just to say - do not be fooled by statistics.

The reality is that due to the purges and loads of other issues the Russian army was not an effective fighting force in June 1941. By December of that year Stalin had given plenty of lee-way back to his generals (unlike Hitler who tightened his control of the army yet further). The Germans lost half there forces by mid 1942 in Russia and they were still a long way from being booted out.

That’s so true.  Hitler kept taking control, like in August '41 when he turned the Army groups away from Moscow into Ukraine and Leningrad against his generals advice.  This took 2 months before he turned attention back to Moscow.  That would have been critical time to perhaps get to Moscow before reserves arrived and Russia would have regrouped.  The goal was to get to Moscow within a couple months; while they were still behind schedule, they stood a good chance to get there before the fall rains or the winter counter-offensive.

Do you think hitler ever could have taken britian? or the japs could have taken austrailia?

Yes and yes, but they would have had to roll a  lot of low numbers. :-D

@idk_iam_swiss:

Do you think hitler ever could have taken britian? or the japs could have taken austrailia? Germans taking russia was possible…

Yes to all three, just be very glad they didn’t occur or we wouldn’t be having conjectural history discussions like we are just now!

1. Britain…  Would have been awhile, and probably would have eventually dragged the US into the war, but economic blockade with subs/aircraft/minelayers around Britain could have starved the Brits into submission.  The US was sending them Lend/Lease equipment in massive convoys which could have been a reason to declare war at any time; but the Germans were tearing the heart out of the raw material supply lines leading into England regardless.  A bit more pressure on the Brits supply lines at sea, a successful war in Africa and the Middle East to cut oil supplies, and it wouldn’t have mattered how MANY planes and ships Britain could have built, it wouldn’t have had the fuel for them.  There was a reason people were planting Victory gardens as well during the war, Britain largely imported its foodstuffs and if not enough food reached the Isles Churchill would have been forced to cry uncle eventually.

2.  Japs probably could have taken Australia if they had won a few key battles in the Solomons, enabling them at least minor naval supremacy…  The real issue would have been holding onto it!  Probably wouldn’t have held it very long against the US and an Aussie insurgency…

3.  No doubt possible!  Everyone knows this!  Russians got lucky or the Germans got presumptuous, but Stalin was very very lucky the Germans delayed invading Russia for a few months in '41.  In WWI the Germans handily beat them, and many were expecting the same outcome though a much shorter war.  Good thing we don’t emulate the winter weather in AA50.

@maverick_76:

If you think of it this way, Germany took territory that basically was double the size of Germany. And they were still about 100 Km from Moscow when the winter hit. Depending on how many territories Larry wants to put in between, I would say 3-6 territories in a straight shot from Berlin to Moscow. The distance is about 900 miles, so 3-6 seems like a good number, and allows Germany to be at Russia’s capital within 2 to 3 turns.

quote from Larry:
Aaah…ok Emperor_Taiki… there are 6 territories between Berlin and Stalingrad. Could not help myself… I just had to tell you.
I would think it would also be 6 tt between Berlin and Moscow. So it could take up to 6 rounds to get there. Germany will most likely start with some forces already in between however (Poland etc). Italy should also be able to can opener a few countries allowing Germany to blitz with its tanks/mech inf. So it could be like the 4th round or so for a full assault on Moscow.

Thank you for the information.  Six turns…  The map must be huge!

@WILD:

@maverick_76:

If you think of it this way, Germany took territory that basically was double the size of Germany. And they were still about 100 Km from Moscow when the winter hit. Depending on how many territories Larry wants to put in between, I would say 3-6 territories in a straight shot from Berlin to Moscow. The distance is about 900 miles, so 3-6 seems like a good number, and allows Germany to be at Russia’s capital within 2 to 3 turns.

quote from Larry:
Aaah…ok Emperor_Taiki… there are 6 territories between Berlin and Stalingrad. Could not help myself… I just had to tell you.
I would think it would also be 6 tt between Berlin and Moscow. So it could take up to 6 rounds to get there. Germany will most likely start with some forces already in between however (Poland etc). Italy should also be able to can opener a few countries allowing Germany to blitz with its tanks/mech inf. So it could be like the 4th round or so for a full assault on Moscow.

@idk_iam_swiss:

Italy really depends on north africa. There cant be to many forces there right? there never are in my other games.

If the French become Allied like Larry says instead of Vichy you may end up with enemies that did not exist in WWII.

The French were in Morocco and Algeria and when they became Vichy they fought on the side of the Axis. If according to what I am hearing they become Allied instead, then Italy is going to have a tougher fight in North Africa.

I wonder if that will be an alternate rule that we can choose to employ? That would be kinda cool to see how the two setups would work out.

French territory in North Africa must become Axis controlled after the inevitable fall of France to keep a balance in North Africa.

quote from Larry
Hey Emperor_Taiki, East Africa – how will this be represented in AAE40?
Well I think so. I mean the French, the Italians and the British are all represented down there. I mean there’s Kenya, Tanganyika Territory, Rhodesia, Union of South Africa, South West Africa, British Somaliland, Anglo-Egyptian Sudan and an administered from London - Belgian Congo, and that’s just the British stuff… Hope this answers your question.

Sounds like Africa will be a cesspool, with a lot of fighting.

Well then as the topic states you don’t have to do it Larry’s way

@WILD:

quote from Larry
Hey Emperor_Taiki, East Africa – how will this be represented in AAE40?
Well I think so. I mean the French, the Italians and the British are all represented down there. I mean there’s Kenya, Tanganyika Territory, Rhodesia, Union of South Africa, South West Africa, British Somaliland, Anglo-Egyptian Sudan and an administered from London - Belgian Congo, and that’s just the British stuff… Hope this answers your question.

Sounds like Africa will be a cesspool, with a lot of fighting.

If they place units there.  Just because a power controls territories in Africa doesn’t mean that the setup will give them any units…  and let’s hope we don’t just end up with a bunch of opposing infantry all over the continent… yesh…

@idk_iam_swiss:

Italy really depends on north africa. There cant be to many forces there right? there never are in my other games.

in previous incarations, the Italians were represented by German units, so most of the stuff in Italy, Balkans, NAfrica & the Med would be Italian.  Even in the old AAE, if you change that stuff to Italian, you end up with a decent force.  maybe better than AA50…  :roll:

a simple role for each ‘french vichy’ territory to go axis or allied would be easy enough to house rule, could be helpful.

Yeah but we shouldn’t have to go house rules.

@WILD:

Like I said its going to take like 5 rounds or more to get to Moscow. By then the French & English will be power houses on your back door. They will also be able to kick the Italians out of Africa by then. The only problem the allies will have is should I take Rome 1st or Berlin.

I agree 100%

I do like the Idea of politics between the powers becoming an option now. THe EurAsian Tripact sounds like a possible reality now.  Maybe I will rename Washington New Berlin. :evil:

@WILD:

I would think it would also be 6 tt between Berlin and Moscow. So it could take up to 6 rounds to get there. Germany will most likely start with some forces already in between however (Poland etc). Italy should also be able to can opener a few countries allowing Germany to blitz with its tanks/mech inf. So it could be like the 4th round or so for a full assault on Moscow.

Hopefully the distance between between Berlin and Moscow will only be 4 tt. Stalingrad was much further away than Moscow and the game should refleect that. The germans got to Moscow in just a few months, they where not near the volga until mid 1942.

I also like this idea of additonal diplomatic and politcal options. It wasnt clear until Italy invaded France(June 20) that Italy would be on the same side as Germany and Germany and the Soveits had signed a a decaded long truce. Although many thought France and England would be allies, France surrendered and practicaly switched sides, while it was quite possible England too would have made a truce with Germany. Of course thats not going to be what happens in this addition since it will be a straight up fight between Axis&Allies, but their will be some politcal rules like their are in AAP40.

As an allied player, Italy is a scary thought.

I’m sure they will start off with a naval advantage in the Med. The will surly focus on attacking Aferica, because they will probley have 1 NO for domation of the Med (owning all the islands, Giburtla, and no allied surface ships), and 1 for the Suez or Cairo. Possible 10+the territory of northen aferica (5?) and then they will open up the Middle East Oil Fields (12!!) which will be undefended after the fall of aferica. Already up to over 25IPCs + mabey 10 for NOs.

Then they can do 1 of 2 things. Go for the windfall of IPCs in Southen Aferica (some restanace from SA intslef) or attack the underbelly of Russia (and another oil field, the Cacacus-6 IPCs).

Unless their is a big Brittish effort to stop, Italy will take down the allies.

I wonder if their will be a minor IC in Cairo (probley), and mabey even Tripoli, and defintally one in SA.

Beware of the Italian monster.