No one is mentioning what Italy is doing.Sending as many mech and tanks east to can-open ahead of German forces is popular.
Its good to battle the brits all over the med.Its more rewarding for Italys income level.My mistake is trying to do both,and not succeeding at either before the American wave arrives in SZ 91.
Operation Sealion a Possibility with AA1940 Europe?
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Why are you even playing Axis and Allies anyway? There’s the reason WWII was our last world war, and hopefully remains so.
I dont know what the teachers on your school told you, but Hitler startet this war from one reason, he wantet to kill jews, just like your muslim friends in Taliban and Hamas.
Wow, that was uncalled for. Touched a raw nerve there. All of a sudden I’m a pro-Muslim Extremist, when all I did was disagree.
Main point I was saying is that war in the long run is pointless. Nationalities and people’s movements will always trump external forces trying to coerce people into submission through the barrel of a gun. Axis and Allies doesn’t reflect reality. There’s no way in hell the French would have willingly signed their country over to German control, I agree with the halved production assessment. Just think that losing capitals should mean something other than a number on the board, and give something meaningful to the aggressor, for taking the risk in attacking it. Otherwise its just a giant game of chicken.
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War is pointless?? Who is teaching you that nonsense"
Just ask the American Confederates, the Japanese Imperialists and the German Nazis if war is pointless?
They will not agree that war is pointless.
These regimes were all replaced thru War waged relentlessly against them.
War is certainly not pointless if it is carried thru to Victory.
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War is pointless, but Axis and Allies is not.
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I totally agree! Its something that EVERYONE in my familiy plays together! With this global game I might even be able to get 8! (if anzac is its stand alone power in the Global game) people together! ( I can let my sister be france….)
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War is pointless??
War is theft. Its like somebody come to your house at night and steal your car, TV and silver dining kit. Hitler was a plain burglar, only difference was the scale, he stole oil fields, iron mines and whole countries. If he was not a Fhurer, he would have been a horsethief, it was in his blood.
My point is; wars, like theft, dont pay off in the long run. God will cut you down sooner or later. Just look at Germany. In 1945 they were poor. Butt when they quit stealing and started the hard work from 1950 and forth, they got rich. Today Germany is a very rich power. So no, you wont get 30 IPC when you conquer Moscow. You got to use the territorie’s IPC value and the factories, thats all.
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All of a sudden I’m a pro-Muslim Extremist
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War is pointless??
War is theft. Its like somebody come to your house at night and steal your car, TV and silver dining kit. Hitler was a plain burglar, only difference was the scale, he stole oil fields, iron mines and whole countries. If he was not a Fhurer, he would have been a horsethief, it was in his blood.
My point is; wars, like theft, dont pay off in the long run. God will cut you down sooner or later. Just look at Germany. In 1945 they were poor. Butt when they quit stealing and started the hard work from 1950 and forth, they got rich. Today Germany is a very rich power. So no, you wont get 30 IPC when you conquer Moscow. You got to use the territorie’s IPC value and the factories, thats all.
So we agree. The only point of contention is that you think the attacker should only get the territory’s value, whereas I think they should get the banked sum of IPCs.
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I also believe that you should not get the banked sum of IPC’s
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when people sell things that, “fell off the back of a truck”, they never sell them for retail price, they always sell them for less. So the IPC value and not the bank tracks better with that approach. However, if you were to steal a country and then put it on ebay, you could get much more than retail for it, be just like selling AA50…
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Yeah…some poor 3rd world countries gdp might be able to pay for one…in 3 years…
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when people sell things that, “fell off the back of a truck”, they never sell them for retail price, they always sell them for less. So the IPC value and not the bank tracks better with that approach. However, if you were to steal a country and then put it on ebay, you could get much more than retail for it, be just like selling AA50…
Don’t forget the shipping and handling.
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And by page 4 this thread has completely fallen off the rails…
Back to Sealion.
The gov’t in exile rule sounds to me like a must have, considering Sealion (on a probablity scale compared to prior editions) appears to be a more viable option.
However, the exile rule should probably be limited to major nations (which excludes France, China, etc.) that start the war as transcontinental powers (which excludes Germany, Japan, and Italy) as in theory they’re the nations most likely to have potential centers of power farthest away from their capital and therefore independently capable of continuing on with the fight.
That would essentially mean only UK, US and USSR have the option to establish governments in exile, which as previous posters have mentioned, would likely be either a center of production still in their control - or - a fixed location, which if already captured would negate the exile.
Is this historically accurate? No. Clearly France and Italy both established governments in exile (Free French and Mussolini in Northern Italy). But as other posters have noted, historical accuracy and balance dont necessarily go hand-in-hand with a boardgame.
Where any fixed locations would be, would be fun to consider. For the US it would almost certainly be the west coast. For the USSR perhaps somewhere beyond the Urals. And for the UK, probably eastern Canada.
I also like the reduced IPC capture for any nation that has an exile option.
But ultimately, these kinds of rules may be too cumbersome to include in the official rules, and are best left as alternate rules or interesting house rules.
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All you have to do is exclude the rule about giving up your money when your capital is taken. Just produce pieces at any one of your other factories and if you have none then build them with the money that you kept. It’s that simple.
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I cant disagree more. You only want thr rich nations to establish government in exile. When clearly the two you DONT want are the ones that actually established one. If america is taken out the game is over. If russia is taken out pack it in mate. The germans can overwhelm England (eventually)
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I cant disagree more. You only want thr rich nations to establish government in exile. When clearly the two you DONT want are the ones that actually established one. If america is taken out the game is over. If russia is taken out pack it in mate. The germans can overwhelm England (eventually)
You’ll need to elaborate on this one a little. I am not sure what you are disagreeing about.
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Oh, the suggestion was a “government in exile rule” I reeeally dont think it should apply to any allied armies. Mostly America or russia.
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And by page 4 this thread has completely fallen off the rails…
Back to Sealion.
The gov’t in exile rule sounds to me like a must have, considering Sealion (on a probablity scale compared to prior editions) appears to be a more viable option.
However, the exile rule should probably be limited to major nations (which excludes France, China, etc.) that start the war as transcontinental powers (which excludes Germany, Japan, and Italy) as in theory they’re the nations most likely to have potential centers of power farthest away from their capital and therefore independently capable of continuing on with the fight.
Nonsense! The Germans could have their government-in-exile run from Argentina! Or Japan could open their secret Antarctic base under the ice!
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It could be anywhere you still have a factory
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Couldn’t this be abused? If I know the capital is going to fall, wouldn’t I buy a factory and place it somewhere?
@Brain:
It could be anywhere you still have a factory
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However, the exile rule should probably be limited to major nations (which excludes France, China, etc.)
Wait!… did someone refer to France as a major power???
no way!
wow…
phew, had to read it again…
thought we had lost all sense of reality.I don’t think we have to see the concept as exiled to the extreme with this. If Moscow fell, they could move to Caucasus. It’s not like the Soviets didn’t move their industry to the East as the Germans advanced or that Hitler’s generals had plans to fall back into the mountains and hold out as long as possible if they could have only convinced him to keep fighting and not commit suicide.
oh wait, he might not have done that after all. he’s actually going to enjoy those 2016 Olympics in Rio. Now that’s an exile.While powers could move across continents, they could more likely move to the next territory. That may only buy them one more turn, but it’s something.
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