Islaam really isn't as violent as you think

@Yanny:

Emu, you conviently leave out something. The Christian murderers also killed millions of Muslims whom they were fighting in an offensive war of conquest. Christians slaughtered whole cities of people in the name of their God. Pagans too were killed if they refused to convert. Jews were forced into Exile (I believe, memory is unclear).

No Yanny they were burned at the stake usually but sometimes they were exiled or forced to convert. For the most part, they were executed.

This is still amazing.
I could declare myself a FinsterniSian, a Yannyan, or an Emugodian for whatever reason i wanted (possibly because of greed, misplaced political acumen, whatever), go about committing evil acts of violence to the point where FS, Y, and EG would cry in disbelief and sadness, and claim to do them in the names of FS, Y and EG still. Although these acts would be against secular humanism, or Jewish law and custom, or against nature itself, my performing these acts would still smear what FS, Y, and EG stand for, irrespective of their own teachings and beliefs.
Still, what is the point?
The evils done by people proclaiming themselves to be Christians (yes, there’s that word again FS) i believe are doubly horrific as they are the exact opposite to the beliefs that they claim to espouse. Jesus said that to do good things for your friends and to lend money to those that will pay you back say nothing good about you, but to do good for your “enemies” and lend to those you don’t expect money back from anyway are ideas critical to the practice of Christianity. So naturally when people claim to be Christians yet do worse than the opposite of what is instructed of them, then this somehow blackens the eye of Christianity?
(obviously this bugs me a little bit)
And FS - AFAIK one tenet of communism is atheism which helped the communists in their attempted extermination of my people - not saying all communists are evil, but their dogma did not do a whole lot for us in Russia. Also although there are atheists and secular humanists in Canada, my point was that a person did not have to be one in order to practice love. Furthermore, i have not had much discussion with regards to any of humanistic beliefs of my atheist preceptors.

yeah Yanny, but this is true of politics too . . .
look at George Bush . . . :D

@cystic:

This is still amazing.
I could declare myself a FinsterniSian, a Yannyan, or an Emugodian for whatever reason i wanted (possibly because of greed, misplaced political acumen, whatever), go about committing evil acts of violence to the point where FS, Y, and EG would cry in disbelief and sadness, and claim to do them in the names of FS, Y and EG still. Although these acts would be against secular humanism, or Jewish law and custom, or against nature itself, my performing these acts would still smear what FS, Y, and EG stand for, irrespective of their own teachings and beliefs.
Still, what is the point?

Well i totally agree. Like i said the point was just to show islam is’nt “evil” to use your expression and that it’s not more violent than other religion. Also history can be a great lesson, mainly against fanatism, because the real enemy it’s not communism, islamism, christiam, or atheism it’s fanatism, we rarely did something great with fanatic robots, but we did with free mind.

@FinsterniS:

, you have one common rebuttal made by leftish people (by bossk),

I am mocking the assertion that just because something has always failed miserably and caused great pain and continues to cause great pain, that it is still a promising system.

First, Yanny the Crusaders did not kill millions, that would invovle the systymatic wiping out of most of the population of SYRIa-PAlestine-Eqypt.

Second, Yanny, often people used Christianity as an excuse to kill, but the Church established the Truce of GOd and the Peace of God, because though they couldn’t stop people from killing each other, the church could at least slow them down by declaring certain days and places free from Conflict.

Third, about the Inquisition, though the Church is obviously ashamed, it was not as bad as you think. Prisoners would pretend to be heretics in order to go infront of the inquisition instead of the regular courts, and because the inquisition decided that charges of witch craft were meaningless, saving Spain from the turmoil which wracked the rest of Europe, killing 100,000 in France alone. The inquisition killed a few thousand.

@yourbuttocks:

Second, Yanny, often people used Christianity as an excuse to kill, but the Church established the Truce of GOd and the Peace of God, because though they couldn’t stop people from killing each other, the church could at least slow them down by declaring certain days and places free from Conflict.

I think the reason for that is that the church simply saw there profits melting. They were based in these lands, and if there was a lot of fighting there, with moving armies…. these armies needed food, which they surely did not take with them, but plundering from anywhere they passed.
I don’t think that the church did invent these things for peaces sake, but for their own safeties and profits sake.

@Yanny:

When I say the Spanish Inquisition, I mean the Witch-Heretic craze which swept throughout Europe. The Spanish Inquisition was part of that, and is just my name for the whole Europe-wide event.

The Crusaders, for the most part, killed, captured, or looted every person in every town they came across. Women, Children, and Prisoners of war were all killed if captured so they would not slow down the Crusade,

ahhh . . . see how efficient the Crusade was? Like Jesus alwasy said - if you’re going to kill people, do it efficiently.
The middle ages church was a political force that was drivne by similar elements that drives other people and political leaders. The people who went along with the church did so because they could not read, many of them, and because the bible was only printed in Latin until the time of Tyndale et al. Because of this shroud of secrecy and the power inherent to the money commanded by the “Church” it acted more like a monarchy than a Christian organization.

Yanny, if the crusaders massacared everyone right and left, why would the Arabs native to Leabanon/Holy Land/Syria fight with the crusaders against the mesopotamiam Muslims?

Only that it’s Saladin…

No Yanny, Local Muslim rulers and towns allying witht he “franks” to fight Baghdad

@Yanny:

When I say the Spanish Inquisition, I mean the Witch-Heretic craze which swept throughout Europe. The Spanish Inquisition was part of that, and is just my name for the whole Europe-wide event.

Actually…
the Spanish Inquisition (which noone expects;) ) has not been an important part of the witch hunting. The witch hunting was not in the Middle Ages, but in the early New Ages (or whatever you call that thing that starts about 1500).

@F_alk:

@Yanny:

When I say the Spanish Inquisition, I mean the Witch-Heretic craze which swept throughout Europe. The Spanish Inquisition was part of that, and is just my name for the whole Europe-wide event.

Actually…
the Spanish Inquisition (which noone expects;) ) has not been an important part of the witch hunting. The witch hunting was not in the Middle Ages, but in the early New Ages (or whatever you call that thing that starts about 1500).

F_alk is right. The Spanish Inquisition was Kind Ferdinand and Queen Isabella’s way of ensuring Spain would remain Catholic by forcing conversion on the Jews and remaining Moores of Spain. Many that converted still kept their traditions at home and were called Marranos meaning schwein. The Spanish Inquisition was aimed at those Marranos in order to make sure everyone in Spain was a loyal Catholic. The Marranos were brutally tortured along with the remaining Jews and Moores who werre expelled from Spain in 1492. Some say that Columbus’ navigator was Jewish, but that’s a different story. The Spanish Inquisition was not a witch hunting process, it was thep urging of Islam and Judaism from Spain. To this day there are Marranos in Spain and many Sepharidic Jews (Jews with origins in Spain) have a tradition of never setting foot in Spain ever again.

No problem. :)