I did notice quite a bit of support, and knowing of some of the mentality in the States i was surprised that there were no obvious “anti-Muslim” rampages.
I think that the “evil-thinkers” were that way before 9/11 anyway (i.e. there was no REAL change in the amount anti-Muslim sentiment, but perhaps some increase in the intensity . . . if that makes any sense).
well, CC, there might not have been rampages, still the number of hate-crimes went up pretty high. I think that is sign enough that the “don’t hate muslims”-coverage in the media didn’t work 100% perfectly.
I know in School we aren’t learning anything about the Islaamic religion. We spend at least 3 weeks a year going over Jewish topics, maybe 1 or 2 weeks a year (all these in my History class btw) going over Buddist topics, and Christian topics (in History and English) are prevalent. But not a single discussion or lesson about Muslims. And this is considering there are more Muslims in my area than Buddists or Jews.
the number of hate-crimes went up pretty high. I think that is sign enough that the “don’t hate muslims”-coverage in the media didn’t work 100% perfectly.
There are always boud to be some yahoos in some parts of any country that think violence is the answer. Please give me a none-Islamic country where the people wouldn’t react 100% “perfectly.” You simply cannot. The number of hates crime did rise, but I’m surprised how small the numbers still are. :-?
However TG, we have a much bigger percentage of hate crimes (in fact, all crime) than any other western country.
Dude, I’d be surprised if most European countries even keep records on “hate crimes.” I can be as cynical as any, but most people in this ol’ USofA are a forgiving type, live-and-let-live, salt of the earth, hold a job and send the kids to medical school or computer academy, etc.
I have done my share of bad-mouthing one kind of red-white-and-blue redneck or snob or intolerant sshle or another, but there are few other nations these days that welcome just about everybody, and provide the avenues for free speech, etc. And while we are at it, THANK GOODNESS for THOMAS JEFFERSON, the original champion of the separation of church and state. It seems to me that most of the people on Main Street don’t wish to shove their private religious beliefs down other Americans’ throats – and it also seems to me that – for all of our gross, underhanded, outright illegal and other horrible mistakes and human rights infringements over the years – the U.S. military goes more out of its way than most other military organizations to protect the innocents.
You know something that really moves me emotionally. I am not kidding here – if you want to take a read of how forgiving, thoughtul and all-embracing the true American ideal can be, simply contemplate the amazing wheelchair-capable restroom! Where else on this spinning, orbiting madhouse of a world can you find, in city after town after truckstop after business after factory after schoolhouse such a basic effort toward improving human dignity!?
Instead of casting aside our “crippled” or maimed or otherwise disabled, we mandate nationally that their simplest needs and urgent natural callings must be accommodated in a civilized way. Dammit, show me what other country has more wheelchair restroom stalls per capita than the USofA? (IF some wiseguy sez Canada, well shucks I capitulate technically, but the comparison is frivolous)
We care about the underdog, even while the fat cats, white collar criminals, political prostitutes, street gangs, cable tv companies and organized mobsters are looting us all blind.
Inch’ Allah and God Bless America and let’s keep moving away from the medieval mores of the past and toward greater tolerance as intrepidly as possible!
(and thanks for hearing out this rant)
why frivolous?
However TG, we have a much bigger percentage of hate crimes (in fact, all crime) than any other western country.
I find this hard to believe… :-?
Dude, I’d be surprised if most European countries even keep records on “hate crimes.” I can be as cynical as any, but most people in this ol’ USofA are a forgiving type, live-and-let-live, salt of the earth, hold a job and send the kids to medical school or computer academy, etc.
I have done my share of bad-mouthing one kind of red-white-and-blue redneck or snob or intolerant sshle or another, but there are few other nations these days that welcome just about everybody, and provide the avenues for free speech, etc. And while we are at it, THANK GOODNESS for THOMAS JEFFERSON, the original champion of the separation of church and state. It seems to me that most of the people on Main Street don’t wish to shove their private religious beliefs down other Americans’ throats – and it also seems to me that – for all of our gross, underhanded, outright illegal and other horrible mistakes and human rights infringements over the years – the U.S. military goes more out of its way than most other military organizations to protect the innocents.
You know something that really moves me emotionally. I am not kidding here – if you want to take a read of how forgiving, thoughtul and all-embracing the true American ideal can be, simply contemplate the amazing wheelchair-capable restroom! Where else on this spinning, orbiting madhouse of a world can you find, in city after town after truckstop after business after factory after schoolhouse such a basic effort toward improving human dignity!?
Instead of casting aside our “crippled” or maimed or otherwise disabled, we mandate nationally that their simplest needs and urgent natural callings must be accommodated in a civilized way. Dammit, show me what other country has more wheelchair restroom stalls per capita than the USofA? (IF some wiseguy sez Canada, well shucks I capitulate technically, but the comparison is frivolous)
We care about the underdog, even while the fat cats, white collar criminals, political prostitutes, street gangs, cable tv companies and organized mobsters are looting us all blind.Inch’ Allah and God Bless America and let’s keep moving away from the medieval mores of the past and toward greater tolerance as intrepidly as possible!
(and thanks for hearing out this rant)
Thomas Jefferson, if I recall correctly, he was the one who wrotei nthe American Delcaration of Independence that “all men are created equal” while he owned slaves and simply helped to bury the issue of slavery.
Are we talk about the same USA that did not accept any Jews during the Holocaust, such as the famous ship St. Louis? I’m just bringing this specific example, but there are others such as not allowing the Japanese to immigrate to the US before WW2 and interning those Japanese who were living the US in camps during the war.
We’re also talking about the same USa that encourages the “melting pot” -the asimilation of all its people and immigrants into patriotic Americans.
Let’s not forget the USA that for many years worked for manifest destiny and even invaded Mexico and British North America. Such a liberal country, in its attempt to make itself the strongest and only power in North America.
Please do not forget these events and circumstances. The USA has not always been such a tolerant and liberal society. The US has many good thingd about it, but there also enough bad things that should also be considered. I frankly am not surprised that mosques are attacked in the US, when you’re a patriotic American before anything else, you’d want to get a little revenge for 9/11, even if it isnt on the actual terrorists. Xenophobia is a horrible excuse and tool for hate, it always has been, and you can see it in America’s history countless times.
@TG:
There are always boud to be some yahoos in some parts of any country that think violence is the answer. Please give me a none-Islamic country where the people wouldn’t react 100% “perfectly.” You simply cannot. The number of hates crime did rise, but I’m surprised how small the numbers still are. :-?
Sure, it wouldn’t be “perfect” in any country….
but for the number of crimes: that are only the known ones. If you read something of the muslim organizations, you will see that the situation for muslims changed a lot after 9/11, more or less every one said he had suffered from discrimination to threats to their life…
Xenophobia is a horrible excuse and tool for hate, it always has been, and you can see it in America’s history countless times.
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Dude, I’d be surprised if most European countries even keep records on “hate crimes.” …
you are surprised then….
i know that the countries i lived in do keep records like that. And i would be surprised if any government didn’t: it is listening to the people, listening for threats for their own power.
And while we are at it, THANK GOODNESS for THOMAS JEFFERSON, the original champion of the separation of church and state.
Well, i think that seperation was first mentioned by Spinoza in his Tractatus
…, simply contemplate the amazing wheelchair-capable restroom! Where else on this spinning, orbiting madhouse of a world can you find, in city after town after truckstop after business after factory after schoolhouse such a basic effort toward improving human dignity!?
Instead of casting aside our “crippled” or maimed or otherwise disabled, we mandate nationally that their simplest needs and urgent natural callings must be accommodated in a civilized way. Dammit, show me what other country has more wheelchair restroom stalls per capita than the USofA? (IF some wiseguy sez Canada, well shucks I capitulate technically, but the comparison is frivolous)
I don’t know about the US and Canada, but (again) i know there are quite a lot of these restrooms in any public building in Germany or the Australia.
So, i can’t compare it, and neither do i know the “per capita” number… but if you take that, then i would say the Ozzies are in front, alone by the number of heads you have to divide by …
We care about the underdog, even while the fat cats, white collar criminals, political prostitutes, street gangs, cable tv companies and organized mobsters are looting us all blind.
Inch’ Allah and God Bless America and let’s keep moving away from the medieval mores of the past and toward greater tolerance as intrepidly as possible!
Too true…. I would love to see that economic crimes are made (and punished like) capital crimes…
Awright: Assuming that the per capita stats are available, and that such stats be of unassailable integrity, I will consider conditionally ceding the wide-body toilet issue to the honorable delegates from Australia, Germany, and (sigh) Canada.
I guess the honour goes to the Canucks and Ozzies alone :)
Awright: Assuming that the per capita stats are available, and that such stats be of unassailable integrity, I will consider conditionally ceding the wide-body toilet issue to the honorable delegates from Australia, Germany, and (sigh) Canada.
:lol:
we really don’t need the wide-body toilet stats.
i think that Americans outweigh us:
Obese Canadians - 14.6%, Americans 22.6% . . . maybe there are more Americans who play A&A relative to Canadians (although we are fatter than most Europeans)?
and canadians are healthyr
and canadians are healthyr
longer life expectancy, lower infant mortality and smoking rates . . . .
and were not americans!
Higher Suicide rates in Canada I believe.
Higher Suicide rates in Canada I believe.
i don’t know the numbers, but that wouldn’t surprise me at all. I would be curious at adjusted rates comparisons - removing the numbers of aboriginal suicides in our stats vs. removing the afro-american suicides in American stats. Just to seen “marginal persons adjusted” rates.
