Industrial Complex

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@Soviet-Steamroller said in Captured Industrial complex in China?:

So long story short it is better never to make any assumption when going back and forth from 1940 to Anniversary right?
If it is not clearly written down then don’t assume it!

Sounds good. However, there are many parallels in the rulesets. But not in this specific case - neither in other cases.
Better check the rulebooks/FAQ, as “assuming” or “believing” is sometimes misleading indeed. :wink:

In case of doubts just ask of course! :slightly_smiling_face:

@Soviet-Steamroller said in New Industrial Complex placement.:

I always wondered why Borneo and/or East Indies where not seen that often with factory built as it looks like a great base of operation for Japan or even UK!

There is a fairly common house rule to not allow Industrial Complexes on islands, specifically targeting Japan, to keep such a strong/game winning move out of the game.

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Thanks for the clarification and quick response!

@mosuper:

As I understand it, the answer is no but would love the move official people to weigh in.

I suspect that the rule as I understand it is a bit cleaner:

If a germany falls falls (say to UK) then all territory belonging to Germany stays German. Suppose, all while Berlin is UK hands, US takes France ––> US gets France. If next, Japan takes France, then Japan gets to claim France. If next, Berlin is liberated, then France immediately goes back to Germany.

And, for factories, I think the rule is:

A country can only use an IC in a territory that they controlled at the beginning of their turn.

Some please correct me if I’m not getting the rule right.

All above is correct.

@mosuper:

What about when german units are available in a german country and Japanese units move in. Does Japan get to claim it or is it only when no German units are there?

In order for Japan to conquer (versus liberate) a German controlled territory after Berlin has fallen, the territory has to be taken by an allied power.  Just moving Japanese units into a Germany territory does nothing to the ownership of the territory, whether Berlin was lost or not.

Thanks for clearing that up Krieghund, you saved a huge debate!

I still prefer France over Poland…if I buy an IC…as someone pointed out above if Germany can capture Cauc or Karelia…then that works better.

The argument for France is that NOs dictate that I hold onto France for dear life, and if I can place infantry there directly that’s pretty awesome, plus this allows me to reinforce Italy easily and plop naval units all over the place if I feel like it.  The drawback–SBRs–is substantial.  Sometimes I will leave France burning for awhile if the Allies are all into bombers.  But is really the 16 land units a turn in rounds 3-6 that make France so tempting for me…after those rounds Germany’s defensive position rawx.  Keep in mind, I would only advocate for France in response to specific Allied tactics (ie KGF) and only on Round 2, never on Round 1.

The open undecided question is whether the potential for Allied SBR tactics makes Poland a better choice than France.  Jen makes good arguments for Poland above–she may be right.  Let me play the devil’s advocate though.

One objection to Poland is it means I have to defend Poland every turn, which means I’m stretched to defend Poland, France, and Germany all at once…but with wise use of armor this isn’t so difficult…but it can be annoying sometimes.  The more substantial objection is that the Poland IC will eventually be captured by the Allies.  What I mean is that in a KGF scenario Poland ought to fall before France.  Once that happens, Allies can stack it with all 3 Allies and now they are building 3 more units a turn.  If I build the France IC and it is captured…well the game is over for Axis anyway unless Japan is right around the corner.

Bulgaria is also a nice alternative with interesting possibilities, but if I’m Allies I’d try to snag it with the USA…not ez but not impossible.

Well, I don’t think we can say either way if the game favors one side or the other if the setup is incorrect. Hopefully it is balanced or is close. Hopefully in the true setup India and Australia and Canada have an IC. I doubt it but a man can always dream. If it doesn’t I will try to house rule them in but, that leads to trying to rebalance the game. If of course it was balanced in the first place. Hopefully China’s setup gives them a fighting chance. I don’t want to see Japan able to defeat them in 2 rounds. Being able to beat China should be an endgame scenerio for the Axis. It should play out more like AAP.