Japanese first turn

Round 1:

USA Buys 3 Transports, 6 Infantry
USA Invades Algeria with 2 Transports, Destroyer, 2 Infantry, Artillery, Armor, Fighter and Bomber and joins
{England: 2 Infantry, Artillery, Armor, 2 Transports, Battleship}
{Russia: Submarine}

Round 2:

USA moves the Algerians to SZ 6/Norway
USA moves 3 Transports form SZ 10 to SZ 8
USA moves 6 Infantry form USA to England

Which is, hitting Norway in US 3 :-)

Well, the NEW units are hitting Norway in USA 3.  The OLD units are hitting on USA 2.

There is no physical way to hit norway with America on USA 1 without cheating.

I think Romulus was trying to figure out how to hit Norway with OTHER than the original forces that went to Algeria.

Well, you can do it that way too.  It would take just as long.  E. USA to Algeria to Norway.

@Romulus:

The key is to have both UK and US fleet always togheter in the same sea zone, to minimize chance to be attacked by German airforce, and then leaving UK troops to fight in Africa while US troops go to Norway, regrouping fleets again in sz6.

I would only add that they stay together until BOTH are able to withstand the German thread from Air and any remaining naval forces independently… then the US has other duties to attend to besides nursemaiding UK TRN’s in the North Sea…

Nursemaiding would be being the protector…

USA Atlantic Fleet having the job of protecting UK TRNs

Initially combined fleet for mutual defense is a good idea, but UK needs to build their own fleet defense so that the US Atlantic Fleet can go pursue other activities instead of just keeping UK TRNs from being sunk by German Air Force.

I like to try and avoid buying Capital ships with the UK if at all possible.
Sometimes it is unavoidable, and I kind of like the 1 dd, 1 trn, 1 ftr buy on UK1, but sometimes you may need the UK AC right away.

I usually send the UK fleet to Sz 8 and then merge with the US ships in round 1.  I buy the AC with the US (possibly another ftr as well) and then on Round 2 merge the fleets in Sz 12 and take Alg.

Round three the Brits go to Norway (new trns placed in Sz 6) and the US AC/ftrs and possibly a DD following for added defense with the UK BB and DD.  It really depends on the German threat.  While the US BB and new naval buys from the US go to Sz 12.  From here, the US can continue to supply Afr with troops while the UK focuses on Nor, then Kar.

By Round 4 or 5 you can shift the US north as well, since Afr should be well covered, but I actually perfer to keep supplying Afr (since you need less trns)or then shift the US to Med or to the Pacific.  But before you shift make sure you’ve killed the Baltic Fleet and the Med fleet.  I usually target the Baltic for round 2 or 3 and the Med for round 3 or 4.

I love the way some of these threads morphe. J1 turns into a B1 and then a USA1.
I’d like to get back to the J1 though.
I’ve tried many different starts with Japan, 9and am play-testing a new one now).
I have used the 9 bid to buy a Transport and put it with the East Indies fleet. Lots of places you can hit with that! The spare IPC goes to Japan as well. My first buy is always two Tps’ and 2 or three tanks, depending on the UK luck on my lone transport off of Kwangtung.
This Strategy puts Japan in the Axis drivers seat. And if the Allies don’t shift to a KJF strategy then they are in for a very yellow world.
The other bid buy I’ve been working on is a tank in Kwangtung and an artillary in FIC. Both China and India fall nicely on J1, and the 2 extra land units help my advancing armies in Asia look tougher against counter-attacks. My J1 buys are still pretty much the same.
Oh, and I don’t consider a IC or Bmbr untill J4 or later, Just keep buying a Tp a turn untill then and buy tanks, infantry is too damn slow. Just grab what you already have in the Islands. grab, Australia, NZ, and Hawaii too. I also like to harass the Alaska and Western Canada as well.
  Happy gaming,
  Crazy Ivan

Romulas,
  In your play group, how often does your Axis team win?
  The bids used by the “TripleA ladder” and other groups on line and at home, have found that it really helps to not only balance the game, but also helps to get rid of that same old first turn, by giving the Axis at least, some veriables in the game, different strategies to try and win with. Keeps the Allies on their toes as well.
You and your friends may as well try using the bid system, soon enough you will all want to test yourselves against the convention crowd, and they all use it there.
  C.I.

Just remember this when you think of "old"strats in A&A….

If it works it does not matter.

And A&A is cyclic, especially online.  You get beaten by a North African Dominance strat, then you work out how to prevent that, and you win several games in a row against the NAD.  Then you get hit with a different strat, lose, adjust your strat, win some more, etc.  Then someone comes back with the North Africa Dominance and kicks your butt because your modified strats no longer defend against it.

There is no one single always winning strat in Revised.

I agree, DM, I don’t WANT to buy capitol ships for England, but sometimes you just don’t have a choice.

Sometimes you do.  But sometimes you dont.

@DarthMaximus:

I like to try and avoid buying Capital ships with the UK if at all possible.
Sometimes it is unavoidable, and I kind of like the 1 dd, 1 trn, 1 ftr buy on UK1, but sometimes you may need the UK AC right away.

I usually send the UK fleet to Sz 8 and then merge with the US ships in round 1.  I buy the AC with the US (possibly another ftr as well) and then on Round 2 merge the fleets in Sz 12 and take Alg.

Round three the Brits go to Norway (new trns placed in Sz 6) and the US AC/ftrs and possibly a DD following for added defense with the UK BB and DD.  It really depends on the German threat.  While the US BB and new naval buys from the US go to Sz 12.  From here, the US can continue to supply Afr with troops while the UK focuses on Nor, then Kar.

By Round 4 or 5 you can shift the US north as well, since Afr should be well covered, but I actually perfer to keep supplying Afr (since you need less trns)or then shift the US to Med or to the Pacific.  But before you shift make sure you’ve killed the Baltic Fleet and the Med fleet.  I usually target the Baltic for round 2 or 3 and the Med for round 3 or 4.

I disagree here, Early job for the UK is to clear out the Baltic fleet and hold out in Africa and hit Algeria/Libya and then have the States reinforcing it, it is well worth the money to buy capital ships with the UK to protect her own fleet and trade Karelia to help out the Russians and to move the UK fleet into the Baltic to put preasure on WE/Germany and EE.

By splitting the 2 Naval powers, you can now let the USA fleet jump into the Med and put more preasure on Germany by making her protect SE and reinforce WE more heavily and now Balk and UKR are within range, this should make the allies IPC advantage that they already own weigh more heavily on the Axis.

By having the US fleet in the Med, they force Germany to play more careful and they can hamper any African plans by the Japs and also reinforce Cauc, In my opinion there is endless posibilities here and I recommend to any player to split the Allied Navies.

By stating above it was the UK’s job to clear the Baltic, it’s the USA’s job to clear out the Med as soon as possible.

I have yet to find US presence in the Med helpful.  It has cost me two games I am currently in.  Well, it hasn’t cost me them YET, but that is just a matter of time.