We should not attack Iraq

@Deviant:Scripter:

Kind of sounds familiar.
But if that guy had a vile of VX gas in his hand, I can tell you that I wouldn’t bother searching him. I’d cap him on the spot.

But as said above: The Iraq is only able to hurt the US, not able to kill it. The US on the other hand can kill the Iraq easily, that’s why i chose that weapons. It’s just an analogy :)

Quote from F_alk"I don’t critize the US there. I critize Great Britain for its appeasement policy though.
That would (to keep the historical comparisons) be like giving Quwait ot the Iraq to keep them quiet.
The situation is different today from that time."

My point is, people like to bitch about the US reguardless of what they do.

Quote from F_alk "For the first:
Why the hell did and do the USA still produce weapons of mass destruction, even illegal ones?
For the secod:
Why do the US spy on even their allies and friends?

You seem to take rights for you that you don’t allow other nations. "

Why did they? The cold war is why, and it made most Eurpoean countries safer because of it. How far do you think Russia would have went if not for the US?
America has been down sizing its nuclear weapons ever since the Wall came down.
Your sadly mistaken if you think the US is the only “friendly” nation that spys on its allies.
I’m willing to bet every nation is “guilty” of it.

Quote from F_alk"Seriously: I would take away the bat, then bring some distance between the two, and then examine the case."

What if its the 10th time he’s hit her with the bat? He’s done it again and again over the years.

Quote from F_alk"Just as the US are in possession of these weapons, and are capable of using them for terrorist attacks.
It kind of sounds that you are envious to anyone who can do that as well, as if you want to have the monoply of weapons of mass destruction.

Come on! you know dam well the US doesn’t use terroist tactics. Its silly of you to even make that statement.
It kind of sounds like you are suggesting we (international community) let any dictator, with a shady past, have access and the means to weapons of mass destruction.

Quote from F_alk"as many years as other countries get."
What other countries are you referring to?

Qutoe from F_alk"Acting in defense? Well, were did the Iraq attack the US then?
You could claim the fighters again, but would you call shooting at foreign soldiers in your territory “attack”? Couldn’t you argue that it’s the Iraq qho is constantly under attack? (No, that is not my position, but the US are clearly not defending).
Is a pre-emptive strike really defending? Is it defending, because you call an attack a pre-emptive strike? Did Germany never attack the USSR or Poland in WW2 then, just because german media said so?

And, you would get the worlds approval with an instant, if you were attacked, just remember Septembre last year."

Defense of future terrorist attacks.
I said nothing about any fighters, sorry.
Don’t know what your saying about WW2 Germany media.??
Does the US have to wait for another terrorist attack before it is OK with everyone?

Again, The US feels Iraq is a cog in the terriost threats against them.
They have every right to “defend” against that.

I curious, why are you ( that being anyone) against action against Iraq?
I don’t undestand what the outstanding reason are?
It seems clear to me ( if you havn’t guessed) something has to be done.

we could just hit them with a gaint lazzzzzer beam

no theres little flying robots 2"by2" that have a camera wich susidely crash into things and blow them up with a lot of power, could be used agansit hussain

I agree with Ghoul, pre-emptive strikes can be very good things. In 1967, Israel launched a pre-emptive strike against the Arab countries that resulted in the Six Day War because their intelligence had found that the Jordanian and Egyptian militaries had put their forceson joint command and they were preparing for a full scale offensive with the Syrians and the Iraqis into ISrael. This situation is similar, except that the US wants to dismantle weapons of mass destruction, which I think is good enough reason for a pre-emptive strike.

what about after Iraq… north korea,yeman,africa?

Actually, we’re going after Yemen right now (or about a month ago).

With the economy tanking like mad, we’re going to go and spend a trillion on a war that isn’t needed? And hell, I shouldn’t complain, my father sells materials for Cruise Missles. War = Business.

Money is NO consideration when it comes to war. A war in Iraq would cost an estimated $50-60 billion, which is barely a sliver of our GDP. In fact, I think it’s around 1% if i’m correct. (Source: Newsweek)

Who is the wife at the moment?

The Kurds.

Question: Do you think that Saddam is a terrorist? I do. If not, please explain to me the difference between Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.

What is Saddam likely to do? Let’s look at his history.

1. Saddam learned how to torture people and tortures them today as he has for years (multiple eye witness reports.)
2. Saddam bought tanks and used them on the people of Iraq and neighboring nations (Iran and Kuwait) for years (multiple eye witness reports.)
3. Saddam bought helicopter gunships and used them on the people of Iraq and neighboring nations (Iran and Kuwait) for years (multiple eye witness reports.)
4. Saddam’s regime developed chemical weapons and used them on the people of Iraq and Iran for years (multiple eye witness reports.) Persian Gulf War Veterans from a number of countries have reported symptoms that may be attributed to chemical weapons.
5. Saddam’s regime developed biological weapons and used them on the people of Iraq and Iran for years (multiple eye witness reports.) Veterans of the Persian Gulf War from various countries have reported symptoms that may be attributed to biological agents.
6. Saddam’s regime purchased Scud missles from North Korea (now Iraq builds them) and used them on neighboring nations (Saudi Arabia and Israel) and coalition forces during the Persian Gulf War (multiple eye witness reports.)
7. Saddam’s regime has been developing nuclear weapons for years (multiple eye witness reports.)
8. The UN has imposed many sanctions upon Iraq. These include, but are not limited to, oil sales for food and medical supplies for the citizens of Iraq, and facility inspections. Saddam has found a way to violate every one of these sanctions.

What do you think he will likely do next?

Don’t know how the ‘Cool Dude’ ended up on my post!

Hmmm… pretty good. :)

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6) Saddam’s regime purchased Scud missles from North Korea (now Iraq builds them) and used them on neighboring nations (Saudi Arabia and Israel) and coalition forces during the Persian Gulf War (multiple eye witness reports.)

They were at war with the countries they fired them upon. Is it a warcrime for us to bomb Bagdad?

Israel wasn’t at war with Iraq! I felt the scud missile pass over my house and I felt everything shake. They make huge hissing noises as they pass and we had to wear huge gas masks which were very hard to breathe in. Saddam was trying to draw Israel in in order to bring the coalition apart but he failed. Is it not a war crime to attack a neutral country?

Yanny Said:

So have we. We are the #1 producer of Biological, Chemical, and Nuclear Weapons. We not only used Chemical weapons on the Germans in WWI, but we also used Biological Warfare against the Indians in the late 1800s. And hell, Hiroshima and Nagasaki. We are the only country to use all three.

France and Britain and Germany also used chemical weapons. Crying out loud the French developed chlorine gas and the Germans developed mustard gas.

Yea, the blankets with smallpox. We all took history and know this. It is a good thing that the Spanish were so nice to the Indians when they were on North America because as we all know the white man is the only one to make Indians suffer.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki, yea we dropped A-bombs on them.

It seems that a key element is being skipped over though. All of the acts above, well the people that carried them out are no longer in charge. Many of them very dead. Sadaam however is guilty of some of the above, and still in charge.

Did we not already attack Iraq and bomb the crap out of it for the reasons that “Newby” already listed?
for that matter, should we not be bombing Russia and Germany etc. for their past sins as well?
Does not America torture people daily?
Right now, Iraq isn’t doing a lot of a whole bunch of things, except being under suspicion of having weapons under its control.
We’ll never be able to prove they don’t have weapons, so how long do we get to assault their soverignty until we are satisfied? Forever?
How long did we give Russia, China, etc?
I agree with Yanny on this one. We must be hyper-vigilent in the middle East, but this business of a pre-emptive killing of another country’s citizens without a declaration of war or attack is a little . . . war-hawkish.

@cystic:

Did we not already attack Iraq and bomb the crap out of it for the reasons that “Newby” already listed? …
I agree with Yanny on this one. We must be hyper-vigilent in the middle East, but this business of a pre-emptive killing of another country’s citizens without a declaration of war or attack is a little . . . war-hawkish.

applauds whole heatedly
(who would have thought that i would agree with CC :) )

oh F_alk
we’ve agreed on stuff before, n’est pas?
I’ve always considered you to one of the more rational posters.