@ncscswitch:
Adding to Darth comments…
OK, they Axis SBR’s Russia. That only ADDS to the economic losses of the Axis from UK and USA SBR’s
And the Med Fleet CAN be contained, if not destroyed, and the Baltic Fleet likewise (though easier to jsut kill it unless reinforced on G1).
While weaker in initial units, the Allies can still land 8 divisions against Germany, then 4 the next round, Then 8 then 4, without a single ship bought. That means they can still build their BOMs…
How?
Those ships (or at least the trns) are going to be sunk by Germany without an additional Allied capital ship purchase. Unless they wait for the second US DD which can’t reach Sz 6 until rd 3. But how are they going to proect both Sz 6 and 8? They also can’t land in both Afr and Nor without more ships.
They still have to kill the Balitc Fleet, which in LL will quite possbily cost the UK their initial bomber should they continue with the Bom vs. DD (in a UK 1 attack).
I know you’ve liked the G1 AC purchase, the UK better be careful b/c here the Germans might be able to take control of the Atlantic especially if the UK isn’t buying anymore ships. Or at least control it enough to secure Afr for another couple of rds.
The Med fleet is not necessarily contained. I’m constantly able to get the Med fleet to the Indian Ocean in rd 3 in ADS and it would be a lot easier to do in LL. In LL you can quite possibly do it on G2 b/c you can hit both Egy and Trj with better chances of success on G1 (with Lib bid).
My point is not that the Allies can’t use a bombing strat, it is that they can’t just start whilly nilly from rd 1 and each keep buying a bom a turn for the purpose of Sbr’s and expect to win. There are some key priorities the Allies must do first or at least try and secure. Allied boming runs won’t do squat nor should they scare the Axis when Germany is earning mid 40’s and Japan is basically walking through Asia earning mid 40’s as well.
Infact I’d invite any player to go with a strictly bombing campaign form rd 1 on (in LL) against me. As the Axis with an 8 bid it should be smooth sailing for the for the very important first 3-4 rds, and by that time if the Allies haven’t bought significantly more ships and troops they are in trouble, b/c not only will the Axis have the military lead but they will have the economic lead and now SBR’s are counter productive for the Allies. It doesn’t work in Classic and it won’t work in Revised. Not until you sink ALL the German ships (trns) and are guaranteed of reclaiming Afr.
My bet would be that my opponent would end up not going with a bombing campaign immediately b/c they’ll see a very strong Germany in Egy or possibly Germany already in Egy and Trj.
Finally, just bid more. :-)
Bid 9 and drop 3 inf in Europe and see if Russia can wait until rd 3 or 4 for the UK/US bombing runs are somewhat effective.
@newpaintbrush:
@U-505:
As the Axis I’d buy 1 bmb for Germany and send 2 Japanese bmb’s to Germany and SBR the UK. Combined with a strong push into Africa the Axis can strangle the UK and force the US to split their forces to retake Africa and land in Europe because if they don’t then the UK will only be making about 5 IPC’s or so every turn which effectively eliminates the UK SBR campaign on Germany. Both Axis powers can spare the small investment and Germany can turtle and wait for Russia to fall to Japan.
I guess I should read the entire thread before posting. Long story short, I agree with Darth. :oops:
I don’t agree with industrial bombing in most cases.
But anyways, why would you be bombing London instead of Moscow?
If the Axis control most of Afr (say Egy, Ken, Iea, Safr, Trj, Per and Ind) and Aus/Nz you can esstially reduce UK to ~18 (UK up Nor) then both Ger and Japan bom London you can take them out of the game b/c now they are only earning ~6-10. Which means if they continue to use Sbr’s they will never have any cash to ever put more land units on the board. This is good for the Axis.
You could also turn to bombing Moscow, but I mentioned London b/c you want to bom them before they can fully reclaim Afr which they need to support their bombing runs, b/c it will get harder and harder to reclaim Afr later if you are only able to buy 2-4 land units a turn if you gave the Axis free reign in the first few rds.
I’m not a big fan of bombing runs either, and even in LL would not employ them until I already thought I was winning or had nothing else to do with my boms.
