German tank killers useful?

I sold all mine to cool stuff for credit.  They pay a pretty good price for them.

I love the rules and state for the Vals but 10 points is WAY steep if you ask me. I’d rather invest that into MG42 teams, commanders like the Oberleutnant or Haupsturmfuhrer that help out my front line men. Paratroopers are great if you can deploy them in multiple teams.

My most recent example is I played Japan VS the US. I don’t have that many Japenese men and I HATE PLAYING JAPAN. So I thought it would be a short war.

Then I came up with the idea to utilize snipers and foot soldiers and 2 mortars with LT’s. I put the rest of my points into 6 paratroopers.

Sure enough, at turn 6 we were being decimated and the US held the town adjacent to the objective.

“What’s taking you so long to move?” my opponent griped.

Well, I deployed the para’s in 3 groups (2 each). One on each side of the town, having my remaining infantry rush him. This turned his battle into a 3 front war and In one turn, all his commanders, his quad 50 and other elite troops were gone except one. His last soldier made a run for the objective and was killed by a sniper that survived the town rush.

My point is this: My opponent said “Your goal was to decieve me and that, you did. I thought your army looked a little light.”

So if your playing a huge point battle and can afford to divide up your Airborn units into at least 2 groups, you can seriously cause chaos in your opponents movements and even divide his attention in critical areas where he needs to concentrate.

@Obergruppenfuhrer:

@Ducky:

http://www.vesivus.com/aaminis/AM_Nationality_German.htm

there you go!! almost all the stat cards for everything!!

DUDE!!! YOU are the man. Where in blazes did you find that link? I searched the damn internet forever yesterday looking for this exact thing. Man if I could hook you up with Karma, you’d be at positive 300 by now. Thanks brotha!!

No problem, just trying to keep myself useful! :lol: I found the link a while ago just by trying to find a specific card’s values.

If you’re trying to build a specialized army you may as well buy individual units. If you have 100s of pieces already, boosters are waste of money. If you don’t have many pieces yet, I HIGHLY recommend getting a case of 1939-1945. It’s a “greatest hits” booster. The most popular pieces are in it, repainted, and some recosted. You’ll definitely find almost all the armor you’ll need there, and some decent infantry and aircraft, though those areas weren’t as well rounded as the tanks. There’s a lot of heavy hitters though. A Tiger I, King Tiger (more durable and cheaper than the Veteran Tiger, but lacks the +1 to dice rolls), a Stuka, SS-Hauptsturmführer, StuG III Ausf. D (for 15 points, this unit is great. I found it useful every time I fielded it). There’s also lots of good Russian stuff, so you could do a pretty awesome Eastern Front battle.

http://miniaturemarket.com/inc/sdetail/129768 - a safe online store, everyone I’ve talked to loves these guys (I’m ordering a couple cases of the next expansion from them myself)!! here’s the 1939-1945 booster case.

If you’re really into building up a powerful Wehrmacht like I was, you have to go with North Africa too. It’s got the Veteran Tiger in the new, large scale, it’s got a new 88mm flak (same stats, better appearance), and the best axis fighter-plane in the game, the Messerschmitt Ace (it can make defensive fire attacks on aircraft 4 hexes away!!!). I have a couple of them and it pisses one of my friends off to no end when I field them. Plus, North Africa has the Veteran Fallschirmjager. It’s pricy at 10 points for a soldier, but a couple of those guys in a battle can tip the tide (it’s really the only axis paratrooper capable of competing with the screaming eagles). It has 5/5 defense, can be placed anywhere on the map as long as it’s not next to an enemy, has 8 dice against anything in the same hex (medium tank killer), and it can move while disrupted and gets to reroll 1 attack dice each turn. The last one I’ll advertise is the Panzer IV Commander. It has the overrun ability that the Tiger I from the other set does, which is great (drive it into an enemy hex and immediately disrupt the soldier in it), but unlike the Tiger I it has “Command Ruthless” which gives any nearby units a +1 to each attack die against damaged or disrupted units. Put 2 Veteran Tigers with it, and you would get +1 from crack shot, and +1 from ruthless… thus +2 to the Veteran Tiger dice if shooting at anything damaged or disrupted (if I am wrong about this, someone please correct me). That would mean if you had an ammo dump, you could get a success on each die without that much trouble. 2-6 on the dice would automatically count as a success. It’d be deadly and cheap  :evil:

http://miniaturemarket.com/inc/sdetail/198916 - there’s the best deal you’ll probably find, from a reliable store for a North Africa case

I’d also see if anyone has an ammo dump they are will to part with (unfortunately I have no extras). It lets you reroll any 1’s the first time they come up (IE: if you reroll a 1, and it lands as a 1 again, you can’t reroll the second 1). here’s an auction that seems like a sweet deal!! (I’ve used ebay a lot recently to get the half a dozen pieces I was missing)

http://cgi.ebay.ca/Axis-Allies-miniatures-Reserves-Ammo-Dump_W0QQitemZ360079065900QQihZ023QQcategoryZ2635QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

check out the galleries on the official site on the link below, if you have any questions I have the cards for all of them (except war at sea, I never got into naval stuff)

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=ah/aam/gallery

Lastly, here’s a few pieces I recommend that aren’t in the 2 sets I mentioned, but worth trading for or buying, or whatever:

Elite Panzer IV Ausf D (Germany) - Contested Skies (it gets +1 to each attack die)
Churchill Crocodile (UK) - Base Set (if it rolls three 6s during an attack, it kills the target instantly)
Veteran M4 Sherman “Rhino” (USA) - Set II (travels through the forest without making a movement roll, moves while disrupted, and doesn’t get a -1 to dice while disrupted)
M1 81mm Mortar (USA) - D-Day (it can shoot at anything within 16 hexes as long as anyone else in your army has a line of sight)
Grizzled Veteran (Germany) - D-Day (5/5 defense, and every 6 he rolls counts as 2 successes)
Resourceful Hero (USA) - D-Day (anything that is destroyed in his hex, he can use the attack values of… even a Veteran Tiger)
40mm Bofors L60 (UK) - Contested Skies (good, cheap AA and AI gun)
“Screaming Eagle” Paratroopers (USA) - Set II (tough-as-nails paratroopers very handy at flanking)
Elefant (Germany) - Reserves (it’s the hardest hitting unit in the whole game, and has a high intimidation factor, 20 dice at short range, but it’s only useful in larger point games usually)
Ammo Dump - Reserves (rerolling 1s during your attack can mean the difference between a kill and nothing sometimes)

Polish Infantrymen are nice and solid. I’m glad that they finally get some infantry AND they’re not the vanilla SMLE variant.

The Turan I is nice, if for no other reason than it’s a minor nation tank that’s only uncommon.  Statwise it’s alright, with decent speed, but wear rear armour. Not sure it’s much better than a Romanian tank for 2 less points.

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I completely agree that lack of transport units creates some real logistical and realism problems with the game.  I’ve been considering creating 2 1/2 ton trucks for the Americans & Opel Blitz trucks for the Germans.  They would just be regular “soft” vehicle units.  Similar in movement to a jeep, but would be a little more expensive and could carry 2 infantry units.  They would also be able to tow field guns using other rules I’ve created for that (www.aaminis3d.com)

Tank        Produced
Panzer I    3000
Panzer II    3500
Panzer III  5644
Panzer IV  9000
Panther    4814
Tiger        1350
King Tiger  484

So to help give Germany a slight extra advantage, we play as a house rule that the vehicles must setup on the back hexes. It really helps balance the game.

Apparently in the original play tested versions of the game all units started on the back hexes but the game took to long. So instead of having infantry setup 5 in and the vehicles on the back. They did everything in the first 5 hexes.

Hi, just to give some background I have played Panzer blitz and ASL. I have enjoyed them both for the type of games we they are. I do not want A&A miniatures to be a trivial game “just an itroductory game for new gamers”. I would like to see the game rules expand and update with each new release. I think if you are introduced to our fine haobby through this game you would welcome more compexity as the game evoles.