Thank you!
Bloody Africa
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Is it possible for the Allies to come back from losing the Mediterranean to Italy?
Due to some painful events, the Italians were able to retain much of their fleet AND take Cairo. The Germans just closed the door in Gibraltar, as well as wiping out French resistance in North Africa. Sub-Sahara has seen contested fighting, and the UK continues to hold South Africa. We are about to enter Turn 5.
I’m just trying to figure out if the Allies have lost the war, or if there’s a viable strategy for coming back.
Japan is a long way from Victory in the Pacific: she’s still messing around in China, but the bulk of her fleet has been destroyed and the Allied forces are gradually constricting her. The Germans JUST declared war on USSR in turn 4, and there are huge stacks in Leningrad, Moscow and Ukraine. London is fairly safe at the moment from assault as the northern German fleet consists of three subs off the Normandy coast and a single destroyer in SZ125.
The Mediterranean, however, is a different story:
- German AC (ftr, tac) + 2 transports in SZ92
- German Battleship + transport in SZ94
- Italian destroyer + transport in SZ95
- Italian battleship + transport in SZ98
- All territory from Morocco to Syria controlled by Axis
UK still holds Malta (fighter, inf, art).
I confess that I am at a loss for how to go forward. The Allies are still ahead on IPC income in Europe (if the USA focuses) by 30-40, but unless they can take back Gibraltar, my opponent is going to be in a position to stack transports in the Mediterranean to take London…or even the USA! I have the landing troops to take Gibraltar…unless he reinforces it in G5…but I don’t have the fleet to do an amphibious assault if he moves his capital ships to SZ91.
I’m in a world of hurt, and would gladly take any suggestions. The only thing I can think of is building strategic bombers that could nuke SZ91 and land in London (and hope Italy continues to focus on their raiding of Africa). Thoughts?
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Since you kinda destroyed japan you can focus all of the US income on germany for a few turns. That would solve the issue with not having a fleet. And with a few carriers you can easy defend your transports.
With 70ipcs spend on the atlantic you can easy deadzone SZ91 this round and basically go there next round and take gibraltar. He currently only has 3 transports so it will take a while before he is in any position to sea lion.Combine it with a few subs and a destroyer or 2 and you can deadzone SZ 91, and if you take gibraltar then he can only attack with air.
Japan can be contained with UK-Pac + Anzac by the looks of it, just start constricting japan and start helping china, with the bulk of the fleet destroyed you should have the money islands for UK-pac.
Use anzac to get subs all over the place and remove even more Japan income.UK-Pac can be used to help contest the Middle east.
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Thank you! I seem to have gotten out of my jam and your advice was quite helpful:
- Moved a US destroyer to SZ91, then landed units (Inf+Art x4) in French West Africa (with battleship support)
- Italy wrecked the destroyer, though lost multiple units in the process (bad die rolls)
- German fleet was lured out of Mediterranean to destroy US ships in SZ87. While he was successful, both his carrier and battleship are damaged with no port to repair them.
I am now in a position to crush what remains of his fleet (some 70+ IPCs, including transports he moved during NCMs for “protection”) with 2 battleships and 2 destroyers from Western USA, while simultaneously rebuilding my landing party. Africa will be a slow-process to retake, but with South Africa flush with tanks and fighters and the marching US forces, the Italians appear to be on the run.
[in the Pacific, Tokyo has fallen to ANZAC after successive waves from the USA and UK…not sure what I’m going to spend all the money on, but at least I feel better about the investment in Australian subs bereft of targets in the Pacific theater. Meanwhile Germany’s forces have broken on the Russian front and it appears I’ve stymied their momentum]
Much obliged for your advice!
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@Black said in Bloody Africa:
Thank you! I seem to have gotten out of my jam and your advice was quite helpful:
- Moved a US destroyer to SZ91, then landed units (Inf+Art x4) in French West Africa (with battleship support)
- Italy wrecked the destroyer, though lost multiple units in the process (bad die rolls)
- German fleet was lured out of Mediterranean to destroy US ships in SZ87. While he was successful, both his carrier and battleship are damaged with no port to repair them.
I am now in a position to crush what remains of his fleet (some 70+ IPCs, including transports he moved during NCMs for “protection”) with 2 battleships and 2 destroyers from Western USA, while simultaneously rebuilding my landing party. Africa will be a slow-process to retake, but with South Africa flush with tanks and fighters and the marching US forces, the Italians appear to be on the run.
[in the Pacific, Tokyo has fallen to ANZAC after successive waves from the USA and UK…not sure what I’m going to spend all the money on, but at least I feel better about the investment in Australian subs bereft of targets in the Pacific theater. Meanwhile Germany’s forces have broken on the Russian front and it appears I’ve stymied their momentum]
Much obliged for your advice!
Just extend the opponent the honorable surrender option. If Japan is dead and germany does not have moscow and is in no position your making 2-3x his income.
Winning becomes just a time thing.
You can start setting up and transport belt from Anzac units towards russia and afrika with UK-Pac as well.Better just to declare allied victory and start a new game.
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Will do. However, I think he still holds out hope of taking Russia from the “backside” (using Japanese forces). Despite losing Tokyo, he has a ton of air and land in Asia.
He appears poised to make a last ditch effort at taking back Japan with his remaining ships off Siberia…if he fails, he will probably concede.
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@Black said in Bloody Africa:
Will do. However, I think he still holds out hope of taking Russia from the “backside” (using Japanese forces). Despite losing Tokyo, he has a ton of air and land in Asia.
He appears poised to make a last ditch effort at taking back Japan with his remaining ships off Siberia…if he fails, he will probably concede.
Even if he takes russia, if you can trade tokyo for another round ( even if he takes it, if you can take it back ) then he is in a world of hurt.
At least you got an objective for the anzac, liberating china :PAnd he was off a few rounds with germany so if you just consolidate in moscow with all the US going after germany even if he takes moscow where is he going once he lost afrika.
But it does sound like you 2 had a good fun game where things went weird a few times.
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