VictoryFirst (Germany) vs. Kwas (Allies) | Original Europe, Game 3


  • rolling for italy

    [dice 1d6]


  • 1d6: 5


  • 1 tank abortion. Good enough for me.


  • Game History

    Round: 3
    
        Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 6 infantry and 3 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Americans
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from United Kingdom: 1 bomber
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Changing PUs for Germans from 50 to 45
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to France: 1 bomber
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Karelia
            1 fighter moved from Leningrad to Karelia
            1 fighter moved from United States to United Kingdom
            1 submarine moved from Halifax Sea Sea Zone to North Atlantic Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from Mid-Atlantic Sea Zone to Atlantic Sea Zone
            1 armour and 1 transport moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to South Atlantic Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from United States to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to Atlantic Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Atlantic Sea Zone to United Kingdom
    
        Non Combat Move - Americans
    
        Place Units - Americans
            3 transports placed in U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
            6 infantry placed in United States
    
        Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 40 PUs; end with 40 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

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  • TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 4

    TripleA Turn Summary for game: Europe Improved

    Game History

    Round: 4
    
        Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 3 armour and 10 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Germans
            1 infantry moved from Libya to Central Mediterranean Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Central Mediterranean Sea Zone to Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Crete to Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone to Central Mediterranean Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from Central Mediterranean Sea Zone to Aegean Sea Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Central Mediterranean Sea Zone to Greece
            1 fighter moved from Bulgaria to Greece
            1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Libya to Egypt
                  Germans take Egypt from Middle_East
            1 armour and 2 infantry moved from East Poland to Ukraine S.S.R.
            2 fighters moved from East Poland to Ukraine S.S.R.
            1 armour moved from East Poland to Leningrad
                  Germans take Leningrad from Russians
            8 armour, 5 artilleries and 28 infantry moved from East Poland to Belorussia
                  Germans take Belorussia from Russians
            1 bomber moved from Germany to Ukraine S.S.R.
            1 infantry moved from Germany to Netherlands-Belgium
            1 fighter moved from Germany to Netherlands-Belgium
            1 infantry moved from Germany to Netherlands-Belgium
            2 fighters moved from Finland to Netherlands-Belgium
    
        Combat - Germans
            Battle in Greece
                Germans attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                British defend with 1 artillery
                    Germans roll dice for 1 destroyer in Greece, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Greece, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 artillery in Greece, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Greece
                    1 artillery owned by the British lost in Greece
                Germans win, taking Greece from British with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 artillery
            Battle in Ukraine S.S.R.
                Germans attack with 1 armour, 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 infantry
                Russians defend with 2 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 3/6 hits, 2.50 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                    2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
                Germans win, taking Ukraine S.S.R. from Russians with 1 armour, 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
            Battle in Aegean Sea Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 battleship
                British defend with 1 transport
                    Germans roll dice for 1 battleship in Aegean Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 transport in Aegean Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                    1 transport owned by the British lost in Aegean Sea Sea Zone
                Germans win with 1 battleship remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for British: 1 transport
            Battle in Netherlands-Belgium
                Germans attack with 3 fighters and 2 infantry
                British defend with 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 3 fighters and 2 infantry in Netherlands-Belgium, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 1.83 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 infantry in Netherlands-Belgium, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the British lost in Netherlands-Belgium
                Germans win, taking Netherlands-Belgium from British with 3 fighters and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
    
        Non Combat Move - Germans
            3 fighters moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Germany
            8 armour moved from Germany to East Poland
            1 artillery and 13 infantry moved from Poland to East Poland
            1 aaGun moved from East Poland to Ukraine S.S.R.
            2 fighters moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Germany
            1 bomber moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Germany
            1 fighter moved from Greece to Germany
    
        Place Units - Germans
            3 armour and 10 infantry placed in Germany
    
        Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 44 PUs; end with 44 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Russians regular : -0.67
    Germans regular : 1.83
    British regular : 0.17
    

    Savegame



  • TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 5

    TripleA Turn Summary for game: Europe Improved

    Game History

    Round: 5
    
        Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 1 armour and 11 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Germans
            5 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
                  Germans take Karelia from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Belorussia to Russia
            1 armour moved from Belorussia to Siberia
                  Germans take Turkestan from Russians
                  Germans take Siberia from Russians
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Egypt to Palestine
                  Germans take Palestine from Middle_East
            1 armour moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
                  Germans take Trans-Jordan from Middle_East
            1 infantry moved from Greece to Central Mediterranean Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Central Mediterranean Sea Zone to Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone to Syria
                  Germans take Syria from Middle_East
            1 destroyer moved from Central Mediterranean Sea Zone to Western Mediterranean Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from Aegean Sea Sea Zone to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Germany to Caucasus
            6 fighters moved from Germany to Russia
            1 armour moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Caucasus
            1 infantry moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Caucasus
            1 armour moved from Belorussia to Stalingrad
                  Germans take Stalingrad from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Belorussia to Turkestan
            1 infantry moved from Belorussia to Russia
    
        Combat - Germans
            Battle in Russia
                Germans attack with 6 fighters and 2 infantry
                Russians defend with 2 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 6 fighters and 2 infantry in Russia, round 2 : 1/8 hits, 3.33 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Russia, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Russia
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Russia
                    Germans roll dice for 6 fighters and 1 infantry in Russia, round 3 : 2/7 hits, 3.17 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Russia, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Russia
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Russia
                Germans win with 6 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
            Battle in Caucasus
                Germans attack with 1 armour, 1 bomber and 1 infantry
                British defend with 1 armour
                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Caucasus, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 armour in Caucasus, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Caucasus
                    1 armour owned by the British lost in Caucasus
                Germans win, taking Caucasus from Russians with 1 armour and 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 armour
    
        Non Combat Move - Germans
            1 bomber moved from Caucasus to Belorussia
            8 armour, 1 artillery and 13 infantry moved from East Poland to Belorussia
            1 aaGun moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Stalingrad
            6 fighters moved from Russia to Belorussia
            3 armour moved from Germany to East Poland
    
        Place Units - Germans
            1 armour placed in Leningrad
            3 infantry placed in Northern Italy
            8 infantry placed in Germany
    
        Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 51 PUs; end with 51 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Russians regular : 1.67
    Germans regular : -3.83
    

    Savegame



  • TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 6

    TripleA Turn Summary for game: Europe Improved

    Game History

    Round: 6
    
        Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 16 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Germans
            1 infantry moved from Karelia to Archangel
                  Germans take Archangel from Russians
            4 infantry moved from Karelia to Russia
                  Germans take Russia from Russians
            1 armour moved from Stalingrad to Moscow
            14 armour, 6 artilleries, 1 bomber, 6 fighters and 38 infantry moved from Belorussia to Moscow
            3 armour moved from East Poland to Moscow
            1 armour moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq
                  Germans take Iraq from Middle_East
            1 armour moved from Iraq to Iran
            1 infantry moved from Syria to Iran
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Palestine to Syria
            1 battleship moved from Sicilian Sea Sea Zone to Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from Western Mediterranean Sea Zone to Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Vichy France
                  Germans take Vichy France from British
            1 submarine moved from White Sea Sea Zone to North Atlantic Sea Zone
    
        Combat - Germans
            Battle in Iran
                Germans attack with 1 armour and 1 infantry
                British defend with 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 1 infantry in Iran, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                    Middle_East roll dice for 1 infantry in Iran, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the British lost in Iran
                Germans win, taking Iran from Middle_East with 1 armour and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Battle in Moscow
                Germans attack with 18 armour, 6 artilleries, 1 bomber, 6 fighters and 38 infantry
                British defend with 2 fighters; Americans defend with 2 fighters; Russians defend with 1 aaGun, 4 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 bomber, 1 factory and 42 infantry
                    Russians roll AA dice in Moscow : 0/7 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 18 armour, 6 artilleries, 1 bomber, 6 fighters and 38 infantry in Moscow, round 2 : 17/69 hits, 22.00 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 4 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 42 infantry in Moscow, round 2 : 24/53 hits, 18.83 expected hits
                    24 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Moscow
                    16 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 bomber owned by the Russians lost in Moscow
                    Germans roll dice for 18 armour, 6 artilleries, 1 bomber, 6 fighters and 14 infantry in Moscow, round 3 : 17/45 hits, 18.00 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 4 armour, 2 artilleries, 4 fighters and 26 infantry in Moscow, round 3 : 14/36 hits, 13.33 expected hits
                    14 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Moscow
                    17 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Moscow
                    Germans roll dice for 18 armour, 6 artilleries, 1 bomber and 6 fighters in Moscow, round 4 : 18/31 hits, 14.67 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 4 armour, 2 artilleries, 4 fighters and 9 infantry in Moscow, round 4 : 13/19 hits, 7.67 expected hits
                    6 artilleries owned by the Germans and 7 armour owned by the Germans lost in Moscow
                    9 infantry owned by the Russians, 4 armour owned by the Russians, 2 artilleries owned by the Russians, 2 fighters owned by the Americans and 1 fighter owned by the British lost in Moscow
                    Germans roll dice for 11 armour, 1 bomber and 6 fighters in Moscow, round 5 : 6/18 hits, 9.17 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 fighter in Moscow, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                    1 fighter owned by the British lost in Moscow
                Germans captures 12PUs while taking Russians capital
                Germans win, taking Moscow from Russians with 11 armour, 1 bomber and 6 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 44
                Casualties for Germans: 7 armour, 6 artilleries and 38 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 4 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 bomber and 42 infantry
                Casualties for British: 2 fighters
                Casualties for Americans: 2 fighters
    
        Non Combat Move - Germans
            Trigger GermanVictoryConditionsMet: Setting switch to true for conditionAttachmentGermanVictorySwitch attached to Germans
            6 fighters moved from Moscow to Poland
            1 bomber moved from Moscow to Poland
            1 aaGun moved from Belorussia to East Poland
            1 aaGun moved from Stalingrad to Ukraine S.S.R.
    
        Place Units - Germans
            16 infantry placed in Germany
    
        Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 56 PUs; end with 70 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Russians regular : 10.50
    Germans regular : -5.50
    Russians AA : -1.17
    Middle_East regular : -0.33
    

    Savegame


  • @kwaspek104

    Lol such an incredible dice swing and Moscow still fell 😂

    @The_Good_Captain needs to see this. Thats a net +16.00 dice swing, crazy.



  • @kwaspek104 Hehe the Axis accept the Allied unconditional surrender 😀

    Wanna go again? The dice did you dirty this game lol.


  • @kwaspek104 Also I have a new update out. It’s version 1.7. You can download here: https://github.com/VictoryFirst2/europe-improved


  • sure, same bid? I’ll do 4 inf belo


  • @kwaspek104

    Lol can’t upvote you anymore. Yeah I will do same bid. Sounds good 😀


  • @VictoryFirst @kwaspek104

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    To be more accurate, this was (a whopping) 12.5 points in Russia’s favor. One thing that helps to not get carried away by MARTI and the limitations of low luck calculations is to compare raw end results surviving units to what the battle calculator said would survive. In this case, the battle was 99.9% in favor of Germany so we are more interested piece count at the END of the battle (highlighted above).

    1914 does not suffer from issues of low luck calculations for two reasons: First, everything but defending tanks hit at 2, 3 or 4 and second, land battles are a single round of combat each turn. This means that low luck and real luck will be very similar in that game.

    In this particular case, there was near perfect certainty that Russia was doomed no matter the outcome. The ‘fireworks’ of extra casualties for the Germans wouldn’t have any consequence on the game. Still neat though and quite a swing!


  • I think it also illustrates how important “where” the dice swings…I really needed the dice to swing in previous parts of the game lol. At this point, it was pretty much irrelevant. But I’m not the dice expert of course.

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