G40 Third Tech Table

I love these rules. It makes the game insanely dynamic & cutting edge from the first turn to the last. Requires a more difficult starting setup for Japan (I’ll publish that eventually) & a joined UKP & ANZAC economy (aka the Pacific Commonwealth, or Cmm).

Even so, give the US an extra 10 IPCs/round to keep up. Turns the game into a firefighting session for the Allies until the US comes in swinging.

Definitely write the tokens down on blank cards!!

APPENDIX 3: VICTORY TOKENS

There exist eight sovereignty tokens and forty victory tokens: fifteen in the Pacific theater, fifteen in the European theater, and ten wildcard “global” tokens.

A3.0.1 Sovereignty Tokens The Axis powers begin the game holding six of eight sovereignty tokens. The last two will be claimed after the fall of France. Note: Sovereignty tokens count for neither Axis bonus income nor Axis victory, but at least six must be held to win the game, and at least four to not lose. A3.0.2 Token Bonus Income During each Axis Collect Income phase, gain 1 extra IPC per held victory token. If, during an Allied turn, the Axis lose a token (victory or sovereignty), that Allied nation immediately receives a 3 IPC bonus. A3.0.3 Limited Objectives (War Aims) Only 12 victory tokens are in play at a time; the initial tokens are those indicated with a star on the card. These represent stated war aims in each theater. At the of the German and Japanese turns, the Axis may choose to substitute a token in play for another from the same deck (Global, Pacific, European), representing shifting goals during the course of the conflict. Note: Germany may not swap Pacific tokens nor may Japan European. Optional (Blitz Mode): Before the start of the game, the Axis players choose which tokens will be in play (select 5 European, 5 Pacific, and 2 Global) & permit no substitution thereafter. Optional (Secret Blitz): The same as above, but do not reveal the tokens selected. A3.0.4 Axis Victory Conditions To win as the Axis, you must hold six sovereignty tokens AND the same five theater-specific victory tokens for a full round. If these conditions are met, you must audibly inform all Allied players of such. If the conditions are still met (without the clock being reset) one round later, the Axis claim victory. Note: Global victory tokens count towards both theaters. A3.0.5 Allied Victory Conditions The Allies win if the Axis hold fewer than four sovereignty tokens for a full round. If these conditions are met, you must audibly inform all Axis players of such. If the conditions are still met (without the clock being reset) one round later, the Allies claim victory. Optional: If a turn limit is being used, the Allies win by default at the end of the last round. A3.1 SOVEREIGNTY TOKENS The Edo Token: Hold Tokyo. The Imperial Token: Hold Japan, Manchuria, & Korea. The Roman Token: Hold Rome. The Republican Token: Hold Northern Italy, Southern Italy, & Sicily. The Berliner Token: Hold Berlin. The Reich Token: Hold Western Germany, Germany, and Greater Southern Germany. The Parisan Token: Hold Paris. The Vichy Token: Hold Normandy/Bordeaux, France, and Southern France. A3.2 GLOBAL VICTORY TOKENS The Empire Token ★: Let there be no UKE or Cmm battleships on the map. The British Token ★: Hold the United Kingdom, Eire, and Scotland. The Bolshevik Token: Let there be no Soviet units on any originally-Soviet territories. The Maple Token: Hold any Canadian territory. The Panama Token: Hold Central America. The South America Token: Control one originally unaligned neutral territory in South America. The California Token: Have a battleship or aircraft carrier in SZ10. The Washington Token: Have a battleship or aircraft carrier in SZ101. The America Token: Take any one of the Western United States, the Central United States, or the Eastern United States. The Economy Token: Axis powers’ combined income (on the income tracker) is greater than 120 IPCs. A3.3 PACIFIC VICTORY TOKENS The Colonial Token ★: Control Jehol, Shantung, Kiangsu, & Anhwe; and let there be no more than 5 Chinese units in any territories adjacent to them. The China Token: Hold all originally-Chinese territories. The Coastal Token ★: Control SZs 6W, 19, 20, 36, & 37 & all territories touching them. The ABDACOM Token ★: Let there be no Allied CA, CVs, or BBs in SZs 37 & 41-45. The India Token: Hold Burma, India, and West India. The Island Token ★: Hold the Philippines, Guam, Wake Island, Midway, and all originally-Japanese islands. The North Pacific Token: There are no Allied surface warships and no Allied islands within two seazones of SZ 6W. The Honolulu Token: Own an ArmB in Hawaii. The Melanesian Token: Have at least one land unit on each of New Britain, the Solomons, and New Hebrides. The Sydney Token: Hold New S. Wales and let there be no Allied surface vessels in SZ 62. The Australia Token: Let there be no Allied land units on an Australian territory (W. Australia, N. Territory, S. Australia, Queensland, NSW, and Victoria). The North Front Token: Control Korea & Manchuria and let there be fewer than 6 Soviet land units adjacent to Japanese-held territories. The Siberian Token: Let there be no Russian infantry on originally-Mongolian or Russian territories on the Pacific board. The Dominance Token ★: Have at least twice as many capital ships (battleships and/or carriers) as the Allies on the Pacific board. The Expansion Token: Let Japan control 8 original (may not have been built since the start of the game) operational naval bases. A3.4 EUROPEAN VICTORY TOKENS The Atlantic Wall Token ★: Let there be no Allied units in continental Europe (excluding Russia) & have at least four land units on four of five: Normandy, Belgium, W. Germany, Denmark, and Norway. The Balkan Token ★: Have at least two infantry on each of Yugoslavia, Romania, Albania, Bulgaria, and Greece. The Norway Token: Germany can claim its Iron NO and has a transport in SZ 125. The Molotov Token ★: Let there be fewer than 2 Soviet units in any Soviet-controlled territory adjacent to German units. The Russia Token: Capture or disable any three originally-Soviet industrial complexes. The Kremlin Token: Control Moscow and three of the five territories adjacent to it. The Ural Token: Control Novosibirsk and from there, be able to trace a cooperating land route back to Berlin. The North Africa Token ★: Control Malta and let there be more Axis (not Vichy) ground units than Allied ground units in North Africa. The Mediterranean Token: Close either the Suez Canal or the Strait of Gibraltar, AND either (a) control all Mediterranean islands (Malta, Cyprus, and Crete, Corsica/Sardinia, and Sicily) or (b) let there be no Allied vessels in the Mediterranean. The Wolfpack Token ★: Have warships in each of SZ 117, 118, 107, and 108. The Blockade Token: Have a surface warship in SZ 109. The Kriegsmarine/Regia Marina Token: Have any 3 battleships or aircraft carriers not in either the Baltic Sea or the Mediterranean. The Iberia Token: Hold Portugal, Spain, and Gibraltar. The Scandinavia Token: Control the Baltic and every territory adjacent to it. The Ottoman Token: Control the Black Sea and every territory adjacent to it.

Seems pretty good. Looks like a lot more money for the Allies. Might be required since the UK is so busted up. Seems like you’d always J1 given that the US is already making 5 bucks off Japan anyways.

CWO Marc I am not talking the Tech, but rather the availability of Sonar for ASW on ships designed for ASW and not the U boat threat but rather U boats attacking in unison.
Another factor with historically accurate concepts has to be playability without getting overly complicated.

IE German assault guns over tanks was lack of resources….and the availability of chassis from outdated tanks like the PZ ll and PZ 38t to create a need in Self propelled Artillery and Anti-Tank vehicles. I assure you that the Tanks were preferred over assault guns. This concept has morphed in house rules to what these assault guns were actually intended to do. A Panzer Division commander would rather be supplied Panthers over JagdPanthers

@Der:

Stalin, Roosevelt and Churchill’s meetings are represented by the 10 minute opening meeting and the 5 minute meeting every round. According to this site the three only got together three times during the whole war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_conferences

As for the table talk sample you gave, at our table it would go more like this:

Player 1: “dude, you really want to throw all those troops at Crete?”
Player 2: “Yeah, because look over there, the USA could counterattack.”
Player 1: “No they won’t with my submarines threatening them.”
Player 3: “What you should do is use those on the East Front”
Player 2: “But islands are hard to get back - Crete could pay off for several rounds.”
Player 1: “But that won’t win the game for us.”
Player 1: “OK take Crete, but use the bomber on Caucasus’ factory.”
Player 3: “No way - what if it gets shot down? Italy doesn’t have money to replace it.”
Player 1: “Seriously dude, just do this…” (Starts moving player all of player 2s pieces around) “See?”
Player 2: “No, I don’t like that” (Moves all pieces back to where they were)
Player 3: “Can we have the map for a few minutes?”

It’s this type of tomfoolery I’d like to curb - in my solution players can advise each other all they want if they are not actively trying to complete a turn. I think that is reasonable. If you have something so all important to say to your teammate that it’s worth spending 3 IPCs, you can still do it. We’ll see if it works, I could be wrong also.

I like the setting individual goals idea the most, but after thinking about it it seems too hard to implement. Each nation does not start out even. For example, Italy may have played a great game just keeping what they have with their small income, while Japan should be able to take a lot of land. How do you figure out who did better to declare individual winners? Seems complicated.

Yes, this does happen over table and in team meetings !  :lol: :lol: :lol:

We do have little talks over table if somebody needs to ask what you or him want to do if its like when US and UK are playing split sides and Germany Italy.

We do have team meetings after every turn for 5 to 10 mins if sides request it.

Last game was really good and we had more team meetings than was expected. But guys want that and get it.  :wink:

Have any of you ever modified some of the Sea Zones in the Pacific?  I am thinking about doing the following.  Would like comments and suggestions.

SZ6 - Japan:  Would be divided into two along the central “spine” of Japan.  Convoy Zone and Kamikaze marker would be repeated.  This would allow Japan to more safely mobilize sea units in the Sea of Japan between Korea and Mainland Japan.  This is basically the same divide that exists in the '42 2nd Edition version of A&A.

SZ’s 7 and 16:  Would be split in half with a North-South line.  This would prevent both Japan and US from directly attacking each other via Hawaii.  Instead, it would be necessary to launch (or hit) Midway or Aleutian Islands first.

SZ 30 - Johnson Island:  Would be split with an East-West line in the “lower part”.

**SZ 50 - Fiji:  **  Would be split an East-West line just below the island of Fiji.

@Black_Elk:

I have done a lot of experimenting with the AA50 game board, but trying to use G40 rules on it is not something I have tried. I’m curious what you have in mind?

Do you mean like using G40 with an expanded unit roster? In that case it may be possible to include Tac Bombers or Mech, possibly G40 factories (with their restrictions) but I think the air and naval bases would be out, since the movement advantage would bust the map. Not using Air bases would handle the most problematic aspect of G40 on a AA50 board, since you wouldn’t have to deal with scrambling.

AA50 could probably support 2 hit carriers, though that might bust the opening battles. I suppose if you really wanted to retain the repair aspect on ships, you could just attach it to coastal factories, though that might give Japan a decisive advantage over the US in the pacific.

Beyond this, the Tac Bombers and Mech, I’m not sure what the payoff would be using G40 rules over AA50 OOB.

I think AA50 is a superior game to Global in many respects,  especially in terms of the learning curve and the total playtime to conclusion, so I’d be pretty excited to see it on offer if I showed up at someone’s house to find it set on a table.

I’m just spit balling, might be easier to just play by the AE rules rather than go though the work of making the G40 unit profiles compatible with the AE board. It’s been a long time since I played AE, but maybe it’s time to revisit it.

@Imperious:

Tanks could go to 5$ not less, or game imbalanced. Heck for $4 id only buy tanks.

Done

actually perhaps you get discount of 1ipc but you must buy in two’s

complimented it with mobile industry instead, makes for a tough choice against “Trans-Siberian Railway”

Id rather you go with “Rasputita” and create a winter rule in Russia twice per game that effects Axis units in some manner.

There’s a Russian Winter rules in the “Alternative Rules” portion of Delta found here…

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=33730.0

All the discount units creates imbalanced games, certainly because we got 5 allies and 3 axis, so allies have a +2 advantage just in these rules.

Perhaps, but the Axis have the slight advantage when it comes to the “Strategic Objectives” portion of Delta found here…

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=33734.0

I think only Russia and USA should have any advantage that effects prices. The other nations didn’t have capability to build cheaper units.  Colonial troops should only be something that allows placement in some area w/o having a factory ( just one unit per turn).

Perhaps, we’ll find out more when some play test reports get posted.

Because we need variety… each nation gets to choose about 4-5 and we need a good inventory of choices.