NML 1914 - Team Game #2

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Good luck all!

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F/S Rommel
A AEV
I/A Entek
T/C Elrood
UK Witt
R Dawg
USA PP

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FMErwinRommel

Welcome to the team Dawg, now also to be known as Bear. And welcome to the Allied team Witt. Looking forward to working closely with you as we take on your former country.

Elrood

@fmerwinrommel So what do you say?

2 Ships for Turks oder 1 Economy Tech for Austria?

FMErwinRommel

@elrood I was thinking 3 tech dice for T. If “oder” means “or”, I still prefer T get the bid, not A. If T gets 2 ships at the start, it could destroy or chase the UK fleet out of the Med, like in our first game. So set some limit of 15 or 16 P.U. value.
A starts with twice the income of T and has more and bigger factories to build more troops than T; and rarely needs to build ships, which are more expensive than troops.

Elrood

@redrum yes oder means or :-)

Yes i thought Naval units, capped at the sum of 15PU … e.g. TT + DD, or Sub + DD etc.

FMErwinRommel

@elrood Just noticed a major problem with giving T 15 naval PU. T can build 2 tt’s and with bombardment, force Serbia to build more in Gre and less in Belgrade, or build in Belgrade and abandon Mace to guard Gre. Then, the tt by Cyprus makes it 3 tt’s on round 2. We saw how the rapid collapse of Serb greatly benefited Austria in our first game.
What do the rest of the Allies think?

Elrood

@fmerwinrommel The way you asked your Entente partners is really suggestive.

“If we give Centrals extra units they can hurt us badly. Would you like that?” :p
The point of giving sth to one side is to balance the game in the long run.

In G40 giving +20 IPCs (or more) to Allies lets them wreck havoc on Italien Fleet and African Corps in Turn 1, but is no guarantee for a win.

If we stay at the example of Serbia… their welfare is of even less consequence in NML 1914 than that of Italy in G40.

FMErwinRommel

@elrood The game developers must have seen the problem I described when they gave T less income than production and Serb more income than production at the start. WWII games are offensive with planes and tanks, while 1914 is defensive with trenches and HG, to recreate the slow conquest/retreat of WWI rather than the blitz of WWII. But give A barrage and/or gas tech and superior build capacity and income, and it can overwhelm small neighbors before they research defensive land tech. The lose of Gre is of wider significance than the lose of Mecca. Perhaps give T an economy tech rather than ships.

Elrood

@fmerwinrommel fine with me

Elrood

@elrood economy tech tree roll:

Elrood

[dice 1d3]

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1d3: 2

Elrood

@dicebot: 2 - That be Working Women

Elrood

@fmerwinrommel said in NML 1914 - Team Game #2:

@elrood Just noticed a major problem with giving T 15 naval PU. T can build 2 tt’s and with bombardment, force Serbia to build more in Gre and less in Belgrade, or build in Belgrade and abandon Mace to guard Gre. Then, the tt by Cyprus makes it 3 tt’s on round 2. We saw how the rapid collapse of Serb greatly benefited Austria in our first game.
What do the rest of the Allies think?

Just out of curiousity I checked the odds.

Say Fre or Ser were successful in sinking the turk TT already on the map…
If Turks have 2 additional TTs then Turks can land with 3 Inf, 1 Art in greece and bombard with 2 ships. If Serbs dont move to greece or build anything there, then the odds for that attack are about 30%. One more Inf in Greece reduces it to 10%.

My point is. Losing greece is TOTALLY in Serbs hands, as they can freely move anything there to protect their capital. It was lost in our earlier instance of the game, because Serbs moved pretty much all out, despite failing to kill the turkish TT at Cyprus. It was still a 50% battle if I recall… 3 Serb inf against 1 Turk Art + Inf and 2 Bombardments. Turks got super lucky, yes. But Serbs simply overlooked that chance somehow.

Even if I added 2 TTs which I would not do, since it can be countered by smart Entente play and when UK simply builds a few ships the TTs will have to go to Black Sea and will be nearly useless.

So stop whining ya all! :-p

FMErwinRommel

@elrood Workingwomen? Blasphemy infidel

Elrood

@fmerwinrommel Yeah… and is the worst of the three for me… will start to be effective only later in the game

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TripleA Turn Summary: Germany round 1

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Domination 1914 No Man’s Land, version: 1.4.1

Game History

Round: 1

    Research Technology - Germany
        Germany spend 10 on tech rolls
            Germany roll 5,5 and gets 0 hits

    Combat Move - Germany
        1 cavalry moved from German East Africa to Italian Somaliland
              Germany take British East Africa from Britain
              Germany take Italian Somaliland from Italy
        1 cavalry moved from Togo to Upper Volta
              Germany take Upper Volta from France
        1 cavalry moved from Upper Volta to Togo
        1 infantry moved from Kamerun to Chad
              Germany take Chad from France
        1 cavalry moved from Kamerun to Chad
              Germany take Middle Congo from France
        1 submarine moved from Sea Zone 113 Pacific Ocean to Sea Zone 121 Coral Sea
        1 submarine moved from Sea Zone 132 Pacific Ocean to Sea Zone 121 Coral Sea
        1 cruiser moved from Sea Zone 122 Bismarck Sea to Sea Zone 121 Coral Sea
        1 battlecruiser, 1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from Sea Zone 11 Baltic Sea to Sea Zone 9 Gulf of Bothnia
        1 battlecruiser moved from Sea Zone 122 Bismarck Sea to Sea Zone 112 Pacific Ocean
        1 battlecruiser and 1 cruiser moved from Sea Zone 106 Pacific Ocean to Sea Zone 112 Pacific Ocean
        1 cruiser and 2 submarines moved from Sea Zone 76 Indian Ocean to Sea Zone 73 Arabian Sea
        1 submarine moved from Sea Zone 52 Mid Atlantic to Sea Zone 54 Alboran Sea
        2 submarines moved from Sea Zone 34 Mid Atlantic to Sea Zone 54 Alboran Sea
        1 submarine moved from Sea Zone 48 Mid Atlantic to Sea Zone 50 Mid Atlantic
        1 submarine moved from Sea Zone 28 Sargasso Sea to Sea Zone 21 Gulf of St. Lawrence
        1 submarine moved from Sea Zone 23 Mid Atlantic to Sea Zone 21 Gulf of St. Lawrence
        1 submarine moved from Sea Zone 23 Mid Atlantic to Sea Zone 20 Labrador Sea
        1 submarine moved from Sea Zone 4 Greenland Sea to Sea Zone 20 Labrador Sea
        1 submarine moved from Sea Zone 5 Arctic Ocean to Sea Zone 16 North Sea
        2 battlecruisers, 1 battleship, 2 cruisers and 1 submarine moved from Sea Zone 12 Baltic Sea to Sea Zone 16 North Sea
        1 heavy_gun and 6 infantry moved from Alsace to Champagne
        2 field_guns and 5 infantry moved from Rhine to Champagne
        2 cavalrys moved from Wurttemburg to Champagne
        2 cavalrys moved from Westphalia to Champagne
        2 fighters moved from Wurttemburg to Champagne
        2 field_guns and 4 infantry moved from East Prussia to Eastern Poland
        3 cavalrys moved from Silesia to Eastern Poland
        1 infantry moved from West Prussia to East Prussia
        2 heavy_guns and 3 infantry moved from West Prussia to Western Poland
        2 field_guns and 4 infantry moved from Posen to Western Poland
        2 infantry moved from Silesia to Western Poland
        1 cavalry moved from Rwanda to Northern Rhodesia
        1 infantry moved from German Southwest Africa to Northern Rhodesia
        1 infantry moved from German East Africa to Northern Rhodesia
        1 infantry moved from German New Guinea to Sea Zone 122 Bismarck Sea
        1 field_gun moved from Caroline Islands to Sea Zone 122 Bismarck Sea
        1 field_gun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Sea Zone 122 Bismarck Sea to Sea Zone 112 Pacific Ocean
        1 field_gun and 1 infantry moved from Sea Zone 112 Pacific Ocean to Tuamotu

    Purchase Units - Germany
        Germany buy 1 Factory, 3 cavalrys, 6 field_guns, 2 heavy_guns, 3 infantry, 2 stormtruppens and 3 trenchs; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 2 techTokens; 

    Combat - Germany
        Battle in Sea Zone 121 Coral Sea
            Germany attack with 1 cruiser and 2 submarines
            Britain defend with 1 battlecruiser, 1 cruiser and 1 transport
                Germany roll dice for 2 submarines in Sea Zone 121 Coral Sea, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 cruiser owned by the Britain and 1 battlecruiser owned by the Britain lost in Sea Zone 121 Coral Sea
                Germany roll dice for 1 cruiser in Sea Zone 121 Coral Sea, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                1 transport owned by the Britain lost in Sea Zone 121 Coral Sea
            Germany win with 1 cruiser and 2 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 33
            Casualties for Britain: 1 battlecruiser, 1 cruiser and 1 transport
        Battle in Sea Zone 9 Gulf of Bothnia
            Germany attack with 1 battlecruiser, 1 battleship and 1 cruiser
            Russia defend with 1 battlecruiser, 1 cruiser and 1 transport
                Germany roll dice for 1 battlecruiser, 1 battleship and 1 cruiser in Sea Zone 9 Gulf of Bothnia, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.83 expected hits
                Russia roll dice for 1 battlecruiser, 1 cruiser and 1 transport in Sea Zone 9 Gulf of Bothnia, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
            Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germany
                1 cruiser owned by the Germany, 1 cruiser owned by the Russia and 1 battlecruiser owned by the Russia lost in Sea Zone 9 Gulf of Bothnia
                1 transport owned by the Russia lost in Sea Zone 9 Gulf of Bothnia
            Germany win with 1 battlecruiser and 1 battleship remaining. Battle score for attacker is 23
            Casualties for Germany: 1 cruiser
            Casualties for Russia: 1 battlecruiser, 1 cruiser and 1 transport
        Battle in Sea Zone 112 Pacific Ocean
            Germany attack with 2 battlecruisers, 1 cruiser and 1 transport
            France defend with 2 cruisers and 1 transport
                Germany roll dice for 2 battlecruisers, 1 cruiser and 1 transport in Sea Zone 112 Pacific Ocean, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.83 expected hits
                France roll dice for 2 cruisers and 1 transport in Sea Zone 112 Pacific Ocean, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                2 cruisers owned by the France and 1 cruiser owned by the Germany lost in Sea Zone 112 Pacific Ocean
                1 transport owned by the France lost in Sea Zone 112 Pacific Ocean
            Germany win with 2 battlecruisers and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 17
            Casualties for Germany: 1 cruiser
            Casualties for France: 2 cruisers and 1 transport
        Battle in Sea Zone 73 Arabian Sea
            Germany attack with 1 cruiser and 2 submarines
            Britain defend with 1 battlecruiser and 1 cruiser
                Germany roll dice for 2 submarines in Sea Zone 73 Arabian Sea, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Germany roll dice for 1 cruiser in Sea Zone 73 Arabian Sea, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Britain roll dice for 1 battlecruiser and 1 cruiser in Sea Zone 73 Arabian Sea, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                1 cruiser owned by the Germany and 1 cruiser owned by the Britain lost in Sea Zone 73 Arabian Sea
                Germany roll dice for 2 submarines in Sea Zone 73 Arabian Sea, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 battlecruiser owned by the Britain lost in Sea Zone 73 Arabian Sea
            Germany win with 2 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 16
            Casualties for Germany: 1 cruiser
            Casualties for Britain: 1 battlecruiser and 1 cruiser
        Battle in Sea Zone 54 Alboran Sea
            Germany attack with 3 submarines
            Britain defend with 1 battlecruiser, 1 cruiser and 1 transport
                Germany roll dice for 3 submarines in Sea Zone 54 Alboran Sea, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                1 cruiser owned by the Britain lost in Sea Zone 54 Alboran Sea
                Britain roll dice for 1 battlecruiser and 1 transport in Sea Zone 54 Alboran Sea, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Germany lost in Sea Zone 54 Alboran Sea
                Germany roll dice for 2 submarines in Sea Zone 54 Alboran Sea, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 battlecruiser owned by the Britain lost in Sea Zone 54 Alboran Sea
                1 transport owned by the Britain lost in Sea Zone 54 Alboran Sea
            Germany win with 2 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 26
            Casualties for Britain: 1 battlecruiser, 1 cruiser and 1 transport
            Casualties for Germany: 1 submarine
        Battle in Sea Zone 50 Mid Atlantic
            Germany attack with 1 submarine
            France defend with 1 cruiser and 1 transport
                Germany roll dice for 1 submarine in Sea Zone 50 Mid Atlantic, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 cruiser owned by the France lost in Sea Zone 50 Mid Atlantic
                1 transport owned by the France lost in Sea Zone 50 Mid Atlantic
            Germany win with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 17
            Casualties for France: 1 cruiser and 1 transport
        Battle in Sea Zone 20 Labrador Sea
            Germany attack with 2 submarines
            Britain defend with 1 cruiser and 2 transports
                Germany roll dice for 2 submarines in Sea Zone 20 Labrador Sea, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 transport owned by the Britain and 1 cruiser owned by the Britain lost in Sea Zone 20 Labrador Sea
                1 transport owned by the Britain lost in Sea Zone 20 Labrador Sea
            Germany win with 2 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 24
            Casualties for Britain: 1 cruiser and 2 transports
        Battle in Sea Zone 16 North Sea
            Germany attack with 2 battlecruisers, 1 battleship, 2 cruisers and 2 submarines
            Britain defend with 2 battlecruisers, 2 cruisers and 1 transport
                Germany roll dice for 2 submarines in Sea Zone 16 North Sea, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 cruiser owned by the Britain lost in Sea Zone 16 North Sea
                Germany roll dice for 2 battlecruisers, 1 battleship and 2 cruisers in Sea Zone 16 North Sea, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 3.00 expected hits
                Britain roll dice for 2 battlecruisers, 1 cruiser and 1 transport in Sea Zone 16 North Sea, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.83 expected hits
            Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germany
                1 submarine owned by the Germany, 1 cruiser owned by the Britain and 2 battlecruisers owned by the Britain lost in Sea Zone 16 North Sea
                1 transport owned by the Britain lost in Sea Zone 16 North Sea
            Germany win with 2 battlecruisers, 1 battleship, 2 cruisers and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 52
            Casualties for Britain: 2 battlecruisers, 2 cruisers and 1 transport
            Casualties for Germany: 1 submarine
        Battle in Sea Zone 21 Gulf of St. Lawrence
            Germany attack with 2 submarines
            Britain defend with 1 cruiser and 2 transports
                Germany roll dice for 2 submarines in Sea Zone 21 Gulf of St. Lawrence, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Britain roll dice for 1 cruiser and 2 transports in Sea Zone 21 Gulf of St. Lawrence, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Germany lost in Sea Zone 21 Gulf of St. Lawrence
                Germany roll dice for 1 submarine in Sea Zone 21 Gulf of St. Lawrence, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Britain roll dice for 1 cruiser and 2 transports in Sea Zone 21 Gulf of St. Lawrence, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Germany roll dice for 1 submarine in Sea Zone 21 Gulf of St. Lawrence, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 cruiser owned by the Britain lost in Sea Zone 21 Gulf of St. Lawrence
                2 transports owned by the Britain lost in Sea Zone 21 Gulf of St. Lawrence
            Germany win with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 17
            Casualties for Germany: 1 submarine
            Casualties for Britain: 1 cruiser and 2 transports
        Battle in Champagne
            Germany attack with 4 cavalrys, 2 field_guns, 2 fighters, 1 heavy_gun and 11 infantry
            France defend with 2 field_guns, 1 heavy_gun and 2 infantry
                Germany roll dice for 4 cavalrys, 2 field_guns, 2 fighters, 1 heavy_gun and 11 infantry in Champagne, round 2 : 5/20 hits, 5.00 expected hits
                France roll dice for 2 field_guns, 1 heavy_gun and 2 infantry in Champagne, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                1 heavy_gun owned by the France, 2 field_guns owned by the France, 2 cavalrys owned by the Germany and 2 infantry owned by the France lost in Champagne
            Germany win, taking Champagne from France with 2 cavalrys, 2 field_guns, 2 fighters, 1 heavy_gun and 11 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 11
            Casualties for Germany: 2 cavalrys
            Casualties for France: 2 field_guns, 1 heavy_gun and 2 infantry
        Battle in Tuamotu
        Battle in Northern Rhodesia
            Germany attack with 1 cavalry and 2 infantry
            Britain defend with 1 infantry
                Germany roll dice for 1 cavalry and 2 infantry in Northern Rhodesia, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Britain roll dice for 1 infantry in Northern Rhodesia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 cavalry owned by the Germany lost in Northern Rhodesia
            2 infantry owned by the Germany retreated to German East Africa
            Britain win, taking Tuamotu from France with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4
            Casualties for Germany: 1 cavalry
        Battle in Western Poland
            Germany attack with 2 field_guns, 2 heavy_guns and 9 infantry
            Russia defend with 2 field_guns and 5 infantry
                Germany roll dice for 2 field_guns, 2 heavy_guns and 9 infantry in Western Poland, round 2 : 4/13 hits, 3.50 expected hits
                Russia roll dice for 2 field_guns and 5 infantry in Western Poland, round 2 : 0/7 hits, 2.33 expected hits
                4 infantry owned by the Russia lost in Western Poland
                Germany roll dice for 2 field_guns, 2 heavy_guns and 9 infantry in Western Poland, round 3 : 3/13 hits, 3.50 expected hits
                Russia roll dice for 2 field_guns and 1 infantry in Western Poland, round 3 : 0/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                2 field_guns owned by the Russia and 1 infantry owned by the Russia lost in Western Poland
            Germany win, taking Western Poland from Russia with 2 field_guns, 2 heavy_guns and 9 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 23
            Casualties for Russia: 2 field_guns and 5 infantry
        Battle in Eastern Poland
            Germany attack with 3 cavalrys, 2 field_guns and 4 infantry
            Russia defend with 2 cavalrys, 2 conscripts and 3 infantry
                Germany roll dice for 3 cavalrys, 2 field_guns and 4 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 2 : 2/9 hits, 2.17 expected hits
                Russia roll dice for 2 cavalrys, 2 conscripts and 3 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 2 : 3/7 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                2 conscripts owned by the Russia and 3 cavalrys owned by the Germany lost in Eastern Poland
                Germany roll dice for 2 field_guns and 4 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 3 : 3/6 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                Russia roll dice for 2 cavalrys and 3 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 3 : 0/5 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russia and 2 cavalrys owned by the Russia lost in Eastern Poland
            2 field_guns owned by the Germany and 4 infantry owned by the Germany retreated to Galicia
            Russia win with 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germany: 3 cavalrys
            Casualties for Russia: 2 cavalrys, 2 conscripts and 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Germany
        3 infantry moved from Silesia to Galicia
        3 infantry moved from Pomerania to West Prussia
        4 infantry moved from Westphalia to Rhine
        1 heavy_gun and 3 infantry moved from Nassau to Rhine
        2 fighters moved from Champagne to Alsace
        1 infantry moved from Wurttemburg to Alsace
        1 cavalry moved from Bavaria to Alsace
        5 infantry moved from Wurttemburg to Rhine
        1 field_gun and 3 infantry moved from Munich to Wurttemburg
        4 infantry moved from Bavaria to Wurttemburg
        2 field_guns and 5 infantry moved from Hanover to Westphalia
        1 field_gun, 1 heavy_gun and 4 infantry moved from Saxony to Westphalia
        4 infantry moved from Mecklenburg to Hanover
        3 infantry moved from Holstein to Hanover
        4 infantry moved from Berlin to Saxony
        1 gas moved from Saxony to Wurttemburg
        1 fighter moved from Berlin to Rhine
        1 field_gun and 4 infantry moved from Brandenburg to Saxony
        1 infantry moved from Shanghai 2 to Shanghai 1

    Place Units - Germany
        1 Factory placed in Wurttemburg
        6 field_guns placed in Bavaria
        2 stormtruppens placed in Berlin
        3 cavalrys placed in Mecklenburg
        1 trench placed in Shanghai 1
        1 heavy_gun, 1 infantry and 1 trench placed in German New Guinea
        1 heavy_gun, 2 infantry and 1 trench placed in Dar es Salaam

    Turn Complete - Germany
        Germany collect 125 PUs; end with 125 PUs
        2 units repaired.

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germany regular : 5.33
France regular : 0.00
Russia regular : -2.50
Britain regular : 1.00

Production/PUs Summary :

Germany : 125 / 125
France : 64 / 60
Serbia : 19 / 25
Austria : 71 / 80
Italy : 31 / 40
Arabia : 8 / 15
Turkey : 54 / 40
Britain : 84 / 65
Russia : 95 / 40
Communists : 23 / 40
USA : 66 / 25

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Elrood

@redrum Nothing as satisfying as a nigh perfect G1 start :+1:

Elrood

@redrum you even managed to set Entente against each other (Battle in Rhodesia)

Britain win, taking Tuamotu from France with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4
Casualties for Germany: 1 cavalry

:-)

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