1942.2 Red Bomber or USA First?

The on going discussion:
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=40520.msg1693864#msg1693864
on Transport with defense roll makes me wonder about actual combat strength of Classic Transport and an escorted TP:

Transport and Destroyer A2 D2 C15, 1 hit
Offense & Defense factor:
36*(2/15^2) = 0.32

Transport and Cruiser A3 D3 C19, 1 hit
Offense & Defense factor:
36*(3/19^2) = 0.30

Classic Transport A0 D1 C8, 1 hit
Defense factor:
36*(1/8^2) = 0.5625

I revised the opening post.
As comparison points, a Fighter A3 D4 C10 off/def is 1.08 / 1.44

Destroyer A2 D2 C8, 1 hit
Offense & Defense factor:
36*(2/8^2) = 1.125

Submarine A2 D1 C6
Offense:
36*(2/6^2) = 2.00
36*(3/6^2) = surprise strike 3.00
Defense:
36*(1/6^2) = 1.00
36*(1.33/6^2) = surprise strike 1.33

You need to send 2 Destroyers to get a similar defense value with Classic Transport strength 0.5625:
Transport and 2 Destroyers A4 D4 C23, 2 hits
Offense & Defense factor:
36*(2/11.5^2) = 0.544

Or make defenseless Transport a 4 IPCs unit:
Transport and Destroyer A2 D2 C12, 1 hit
Offense & Defense factor:
36*(2/12^2) = 0.50

Now, if you want to introduce a Classic TP with the same strength of actual DD+TP combo 0.32:
You need to make TP cost 10,5 IPCs:
Classic Transport A0 D1 C10, 1 hit
Defense factor:
36*(1/10^2) = 0.36

At 11 IPCs, it would be 0.30 though.

Transport defending A0 D1 would be interesting at a clean 10 IPCs.

Canada is a minor power because its military operation is minor overall and heavily dependent on US and UK. Canada’s only major operation in Asia was reinforcing Hong Kong, being an auxiliary force in Africa and committed in Europe so they were pretty centered in the conflict.

I played another game with India at 5, but I played against myself instead of the AI (first time doing that!).

Russia got absolutely diced in the heavy Ukraine strafe, and so West Russia was abandoned R2 and with no fighter support (Iceland gone G1, no other good routes) Germany rolled over them on turn G5.

Once the fighter route was gone I went heavy tanks in India, hoping to swing out against the Japanese and provide defence for Moscow.  I did have 8 UK tanks about to rush in to Moscow for defence (on UK6), but that would have exposed India on J6 AND Japanese tanks were closing in on Moscow as well, so it would have been a 1 or 2 turn delay at most.  Japan had the luxury of building a factory in Manchuria for north route tanks and just stacking Yunnan with art and inf (with their fleet in the adjacent SZ) and deadzone Burma, so the UK troop buildup in India couldn’t really pivot out of India as much as I thought.  Any foray out of India, and the 5 IPC factory would be gone, so the two armies stayed in the gravitational pull of one another.

I’ve never really done a KJF, but I think that might work a lot better with 5 IPC India.  I might read some KJF strategies and try it out.  So far, 5 IPC India is a failure, haha.

National Objectives

Germany NO
+5 IPC’s not at war with spain 5

+5 IPC’s atleast 1 german land unit is in egypt

+5 IPC’s germany controls Denmark Zweden norway and finland

+2 IPC’s germany controls Iraq

+2 IPC’s germany controls Persia

+2 IPC’s germany controls North west persia

+5 No allied warships in the Mediterranean sea

+5 if the Axis control at least 3 (Gibraltar,S-france,Greece,Egypt

Russia
+9 IPC’s if russia controls Novosibrisk and is no longer neutral

+5 IPC’s SZ125 is free of allied warships and they control archangel

+3 for every caputered territory ,Turkey,West India,Egypt, saudi arabia

US
when at war
+25 IPC’s if your control all of its orignal territories

UK
+5 IPC’s if your control all of its orignal territories

Italy

Spain
+?

@Baron:

Young Grasshopper has made a video on YouTube  Cliffside Bunker Channel which explains clearly how it works in Global game.

Then you should read my thread on Convoy Disruption for 1942.2.
There is two mechanics invented to try.

Thanks again, took a look at YG’s YT channel and found the explanation for CD.  That clears it up nicely and now we can add that to the game as well.  Should be quite interesting to add this tactic.  He mentioned that it’s the responsibility of the player to point out to the other players where he can be CD’d.  Only thing I don’t necessarily agree with.  Should be the other person’s responsibility to keep an eye on the board for when/where they can CD.  Other than that it looks pretty straight forward now that I’ve seen it explained.

Taking a look at your thread as well.  :-)

I found a post which say that SBR AAA kill ratio was 10% max:

What Larry says have flaws, and contradict to to base mechanic.

It should be like this:

1. Attacking fighter escorts roll dice, each 1 is hit, and defender move casualties to casualty zone.

2. Defending AA-gun roll dice, each 1 is hit, and then defending fighters roll dice, 2 or less is hit. Attacker choose his casualties.

3. Surviving bombers roll SBR dice against factories.

In real world, the attacking airfleet would first face the intercepting fighters, and then the escort fighters would do dog-fight. Later, the bombers would face AA-fire at the target. This AA-fire killed historically less than 10 % of the aircrafts. Using Larrys rule where AA-guns target bombers, you could be lucky and roll two 1’s and kill both attacking bombers, and get an unhistoric result of thousands bombers killed and no harm to the factories. Since its an abstract game, let the attacker pick a fighter as casualty to represent a % loss, and still have bombers survive to SBR.

http://harrisgamedesign.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=1706&start=8
He is talking about an older version of SBR (AA50 Anniversary).

I support Gamerman01

New Units

IPC Lend-Lease
IPCs can be converted to raw materials (represented by tokens from AA Battle of the Bulge). These tokens can be transported by transport, cargo plane, and/or mechanical infantry.  Transports and cargo planes can carry up to 10 IPC’s and mechanical infantry can carry up to 5. The raw materials can be moved to a team player as either a loan or gift (based on verbal agreement). These raw materials are produced at industrial complexes. Production of 3 raw materials at an industry only counts against 1 production cap. (E.g. A major industry could produce 30 raw materials in one turn) No IPCs can be “pirated,” they are destroyed along with the units carrying them with the exception of those that are carried over land. Mechanical infantry transporting raw materials cannot attack, but defend normally.

Pillbox
Pillboxes cost 5 IPCs (limit one per territory) and can take 2 hits before any hits have to be taken against your defending land units. Pillboxes are destroyed if territory is captured. Pillboxes can be repaired, even if fully damaged, at the cost of 1IPC per damage marker. Counts as a facility for sabotage and increased factory production technology purposes only. Cannot be strategically bombed or attacked by a rocket attack. Can be upgraded to a fortress for 10 IPCs.

Fortress
Fortresses cost 12 IPCs (limit one per territory) and replace pillboxes. They can take 4 hits before any hits have to be taken against your defending land units. Fortresses are destroyed if territory is captured. Fortresses can be repaired, even if fully damaged, at the cost of 1IPC per damage marker. Counts as a facility and has antiaircraft defense against strategic bombing runs and rocket attacks only. Defends at a 3 during all combat rounds, stops defending after 3 damage inflicted against it.

Shore Batteries
Shore Batteries cost 8 IPCs (limit one per territory) and roll 1 dice for each transport conducting an amphibious assault and each warship conducting a coastal bombardment. Hits on a 1. Movement 1.

Cargo Planes
Cargo planes may transport two infantry or one infantry and artillery or one mechanical infantry or one tank into a friendly territory. All units must start from the same location. Cargo planes cost 12 IPCs, move 6, and have an attack value of 0 (may be taken as casualties in an offensive, but must be Para dropping).

Land Mine Fields
Mine fields cost 10 IPCs (limit one per territory). Mine fields roll 1 dice for each land unit (including paratroopers) attacking the territory and hit on a 1. Destroyed if territory lost. Built directly on the territory. Territory must have been under your control since beginning of turn.

Naval Mine Fields
Naval mines cost 8 IPCs (limit one per border). Naval borders are mined instead of sea zones (white chips for Allies and grey for Axis) deployed where your cruiser present. Cruiser must not have been in combat on same round. Can be removed by opposing destroyers if destroyer has not been in combat on same round. Rolls 1 dice for each ship/sub passing through sea border. Hits on a 1.
Axis mines: http://www.mediafire.com/?tao8kieyv8i6xu9
Allied mines: http://www.mediafire.com/?kcn6osvgwx0vc5x

Spy Network Rules:

Spies (represented by infantry) cost 3 IPC’s each and are designated as either sabotage or espionage. When the spy is designated it cannot be changed. Only 1 spy per slot (espionage and sabotage).
Espionage:
To use a spy for espionage, roll 1D6, the player whom you are using the spy against then rolls 1D6, if the defending player wins nothing happens. Defender wins on a tie. If you win, see espionage below and leave the spy on the board for further use.
Sabotage:
To use a spy for sabotage, roll 1D6, the player whom you are using the spy against then rolls 1D6, if the defending player wins, the spy is captured. Remove the spy from the board. Defender wins on a tie. If you win, see sabotage below and leave the spy on the board for further use.
http://www.mediafire.com/?smq4qqddfvnqicq

Espionage
When the targeted opponent finishes its combat move phase, but before its conduct combat phase, you may make one special move. You may move any number of your units from any one adjacent space into one friendly space being attacked by that opponent. Alternatively, you may move any number of your units from a space being attacked by opponent into an adjacent friendly space, but you must leave at least one of your units behind. This special move otherwise follows the rules for a noncombat move. If your units survive, they remain in the space to which they were moved. This ability must be used on the targeted opposition’s NEXT combat move/conduct combat phases following your successful espionage role.

Sabotage
You may immediately roll 1D4 against a chosen facility owned by targeted player. That amount rolled on the die is damage done to that facility. If the chosen facility is an industrial complex, normal damage rules apply. Does not destroy pillboxes or fortresses.

Part 3 - Technology
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=21072.0

Edit: added links to Axis and Allies’ chips