Rule Clarification (Sub vs. BB)

No it is not.

But the current turn the discussion is taking WOULD be a very good thread to have going if properly identified.

My post was to encourage taking that very positive discussion to a new thread where it would be appropriate, and far more widely read.

@HolKann:

WTF a Russian carrier??
(referring to that 2nd link)

The russian AC saved the day and the Allies won the match…

@axis_roll:

@Krieghund:

In LHTR, the attacker’s choice to retreat is made before the defender’s choice is made to submerge.  In the box rules, the choices are made simultaneously.

how does THAT work?

Not very well.

@axis_roll:

Do you each write down your attack/withdraw perogative on paper and show it at the same time… I mean, how ELSE could you do it simultaneously?

That’s about the only way I can think of.  As TimTheEnchanter pointed out, this is an ambiguity in the rules.  There is no FAQ entry, and as far as I know no “official” ruling on this, and that’s why I answered the way I did.  My personal inclination would be to follow the “natural” order of things and let the attacker decide first, as in LHTR.  If anyone cares enough, I can ask Larry Harris, though I suspect his answer would agree with LHTR (for obvious reasons).  Just one more reason to use LHTR rather than the OOB rules.

I made two new rules to that can help change strategy and make the game more historically accurate.  They are air transports/paradrops.  You need bombers for this.  For air transports, you can carry anything you can on a transport on a bomber and land it in another friendly territory where it drops off all units in the air transport, but aa rules apply if you fly over an enemy aa gun.  Also, once the bomber lands it stays in that territory for the rest of the turn.  In paradrops, you take a bomber and use it to transport 1 or 2 infantry to either an enemy or friendly territory and then fly it back to a friendly territory.  Again, aa rules apply.  Also, when paradroping into enemy territory the bomber can’t be used both to paradrop and bomb, you either send in two troops or use it to bomb, not both.  Also, if an aa shoots down a bomber with units on it, the bomber as well as the units are lost, and if attacking an enemy territory with an aa gun with paratroopers, the aa gun fires at the bomber before the paratroopers are drooped.  One more thing is that you cannot use bombers used in an attack, airdrop, or bombing raid during the combat phase as an air transport or to paradrop into friendly territory in the noncombat phase.
  Another new rule I made is neutral armies and territory value.  With this, you give neutral territories armies and value so that it becomes legal to take these territories, but you have to fight a neutral army first.  Also, as soon as you attack a neutral territory, the territory and troops in that territory are turned over to one of your enemy nations until you take it over.

if it were free for all trading may work. you would need countries to have difernt units. like and japanese fighter defending on 5 and russian fighters on a 3. then russia could be like i’ll buy a japaese fighter for m japanfor 10 ipcs. japan would (if it were to trade) buy on figther and  put it on a transport or in a bomber. the transport/bomber would have to drop the fghter off somewhere in russia.

Thanks.

Thank you that does help me.