A couple of minor notes:
SZ 4 and Amur seem unrelated for that Russian N.O.
There’s no submarine in SZ96, but there is a destroyer.
Was supposed to be Soviet Far East.
And destroyer of course.
Fixed* ty
Also, I’m not sure that the neutral blocks are quite balanced, as there is no reason for the allies to not conquer all of South America for the extra income.
As soon as the Allies attacks one of them, the others immediately mobilize for Germany. Income and troops.
So Allies would need to take them fast. Or Germany is gonna get 1 or more turns of 4 IPCs (Argentina and Chile), plus could counter attack any allied forces in the area.
and a +10 bonus for conquering all of China is ridiculous.
This is difficult to achieve. By the time China is down and out, USA is landing on Korea/Manchuria.
Also keep in mind ‘all of China’ includes the Chinese territories that begin the game under Japanese control.
Remember: USA, UK, France, China and ANZAC all moving/attacking as one power. Formidable.
Even so, i may leave the IC in India alone.
Updated technology to something more fluid for this variant.
Thanks to Cmd Jen and YG for the idea.
Technology Rules:
Each power (European Axis and Allies considered one power) will receive tech tokens, based on their current production value at the beginning of each game round.
Only nations at war participate. (USAs income not counted until it enters a state of war)
NO income does not count towards tech rolls, neither does IPCs saved.
0-24IPCs = 0 Rolls
25-74IPCs = 1 Roll
75-99IPCs = 2 Rolls
100+IPCs = 3 Rolls
Each turn each nation rolls for each token in all categories it has a token in. A 6 is a breakthrough, a 1 is a token lost. If a breakthrough is achieved roll to see what technology you receive. Once you get a breakthrough within a category, all other tokens within that category are removed. Other categories are not effected by success/failure in another categories. Unsuccessful tokens not lost, remain until that powers next turn.
I like how the techs are divided, but I do not like that the tokens are different costs, because then you have to keep 4 separate stacks of tokens, so you aren’t rolling for the wrong tech next turn.
Very clunky.
Don’t make the Japan NO for eliminating China 10 IPCs because then every single game Japan will go for that whole heartedly, which isn’t the point of China. It’s supposed to be annoying, not a cash cow for Japan. Probably why Larry didn’t give Japan a China NO in the first place.
Or if you must keep it….add the caveat that Japan must not be occupying Soviet territory (so it doesn’t have an incentive to keep going into Russia)
I like how the techs are divided, but I do not like that the tokens are different costs, because then you have to keep 4 separate stacks of tokens, so you aren’t rolling for the wrong tech next turn.
Very clunky.
See: @Uncrustable:
Updated technology to something more fluid for this variant.
Thanks to Cmd Jen and YG for the idea.Technology Rules:
Each power (European Axis and Allies considered one power) will receive tech tokens, based on their current production value at the beginning of each game round.
Only nations at war participate. (USAs income not counted until it enters a state of war)
NO income does not count towards tech rolls, neither does IPCs saved.
0-24IPCs = 0 Rolls
25-49IPCs = 1 Roll
50-99IPCs = 2 Rolls
100+IPCs = 3 Rolls
Each turn each nation rolls for each token in all categories it has a token in. A 6 is a breakthrough, a 1 is a token lost. If a breakthrough is achieved roll to see what technology you receive. Once you get a breakthrough within a category, all other tokens within that category are removed. Other categories are not effected by success/failure in another categories. Unsuccessful tokens not lost, remain until that powers next turn.
Don’t make the Japan NO for eliminating China 10 IPCs because then every single game Japan will go for that whole heartedly, which isn’t the point of China. It’s supposed to be annoying, not a cash cow for Japan. Probably why Larry didn’t give Japan a China NO in the first place.
Or if you must keep it….add the caveat that Japan must not be occupying Soviet territory (so it doesn’t have an incentive to keep going into Russia)
May be right here, the second part could work also.
2 adjustments: DD from 98 to 72, add Tac to N Italy.
Game report. Low Luck dice.
EuroAxis1: European Axis roll for 1 tech token under ‘Army Doctrine’. “1”. Tech token lost. :(
Germany purchase carrier, destroyer, art and inf.
Italy purchase cruiser.
Standard moves in the atlantic.
2 subs to 106, 1 sub 1 BB 3 fighters 3 tacs to 110, 2 subs 1 fighter 1 tac 2 bombers to 110.
UK scrambles 1 fighter to 110.
2 fighters 1 tac to 93, destroyer 2 cruisers battleship 2 transports (2 inf art tank) to 98
European Axis takes Normandy, France, S France, Yugo, Tunisia, Kenya, Alexandria. Noncom into Finland and Bulgaria.
All the seazones roll favorable for the Axis.
4 inf 1 AAA rail from S Italy into Bulgaria.
Germany ends with 73 IPCs, Italy 11 IPCs.
Super Submarines: Defending submarines hit on a 2 or less.
Why this as opposed to attack @3? Or if you are going to change it, why not something better(in my opinion of corse), like destroyers only negate a subs surprise strike and submersible abilities on a one to one basis?
Super Submarines: Defending submarines hit on a 2 or less.
Why this as opposed to attack @3? Or if you are going to change it, why not something better(in my opinion of corse), like destroyers only negate a subs surprise strike and submersible abilities on a one to one basis?
Originally had an cost 8 A3D1 sub, but scrapped it.
Forgot to change back the tech.
Fixed.
Russia1: Purchase 9 inf, 1 fighter.
Standard noncoms.
Game adjustments:
Add Russian sub to SZ4
Add 1 artillery to Sakha, Buyratia and Amur.
Modified Japans China NO to 5 IPCs.
Add condition: Mobile Industry: If Japan declares an unprovoked declaration of war Russia, Russia may place one minor IC on any of the following territories on its following turn: Buryatia, Sakha, Amur, Siberia. If Russia is first to dow, it may place the IC, but at full cost. (12 IPCs)
Add condition: Soviet winter Once per game, while at war, Russia may declare a severe winter. No units may make any combat moves within original Russian territories during this severe winter, even if units begin their turn outside of those territories. Noncombat moves may be made, with a maximum movement of 1. (Tanks and Mech can move only 1, VC rail movement is frozen) Air and Naval bases in original Russian territories during the severe winter are inoperable. Air units may make normal moves during noncombat, except do not get bonus range from airbases that are in original Russian territories. All ICs within original Russian territories produce at half capacity, rounded down. Minor ICs may only produce 1 unit during the severe winter, major IC 5 units. Damaged facilities cost 2 IPCs per damage marker to repair during the severe winter. The severe winter will last for 1 full round, and is over after the European Axis next turn, before Russia’s next turn begins.
Can view game via tripleA latest version. G40 second edition:
Japan non-dow round 1 standard
purchase 3 transports 1 destroyer
I have a few questions and/or observations:
1> I like what you did with the Soviet NO for Axis/Neutral territories. Having to be 1 or more IPCs eliminates Russia going after Crete or Sicily. However, you should add the words WITHIN EUROPE so you don’t see Russian units trying to go after Iraq, Libya or Ethiopia. Or does the restriction of Allied units on Soviet territory work the other way as well? No Soviet units in Allied territories or on Allied transports? If that’s the case, then that problem is solved too.
2> The OOB Japanese NO of $5 per territory for control of India, New South Wales, Hawaii and Western United States was not listed. Did you omit that NO on purpose?
3> I realize that tech rolls for the Allies are determined by adding together all of their territorial incomes and I am assuming that any breakthrough goes for all of them. (E.G. Heavy Bombers for USA means Heavy Bombers for UK, ANZAC and France as well.) A couple of questions about this:
A> Since China doesn’t really get techs, do you still include their income when figuring tech rolls for the Allies?
B> It’s a pretty standard G1 move to take France, Normandy and Southern France right off the bat. Even though France’s money then goes to Germany and they can no longer purchase units, capturing those 3 territories takes 9 IPCs from France’s income leaving them at 10 IPCs on the National Production Chart. Do you count that 10 IPCs in with the other Allies’ production amounts to get the Allies’ total? Or once a capital is lost, is that country’s remaining production amount disregarded until it is liberated?
4> Rockets are supposed to have a range of 4. Also, rocket attacks are NOT susceptible to AA.
5> Heavy Bombers should get to roll 2 dice and keep BOTH, not just the best result. Heavy Bombers are bigger and pack a more powerful punch. They should be able to get the possibility of 2 hits in combat. As for SBRs, with regular bombers you roll 1 die then add +2 to the result. Rolling 2 dice and just keeping the best of the two could end up making them worse than regular bombers. You should get a bonus for getting Heavy Bombers. They cause more damage. Add both dice together, but no +2 to the result.
By the way, I like your tech system. In most of our games, tech almost never gets used because no one wants to spend money on it. Now we can get some tech into the game.
I have a few questions and/or observations:
1> I like what you did with the Soviet NO for Axis/Neutral territories. Having to be 1 or more IPCs eliminates Russia going after Crete or Sicily. However, you should add the words WITHIN EUROPE so you don’t see Russian units trying to go after Iraq, Libya or Ethiopia. Or does the restriction of Allied units on Soviet territory work the other way as well? No Soviet units in Allied territories or on Allied transports? If that’s the case, then that problem is solved too.No its not limited to European territories. And there is no restriction on Soviet units. Zero IPC territories was the cheese (Sicily, Sardina, Somililand…)
2> The OOB Japanese NO of $5 per territory for control of India, New South Wales, Hawaii and Western United States was not listed. Did you omit that NO on purpose?
A mistake, is supposed to be there thanks.
3> I realize that tech rolls for the Allies are determined by adding together all of their territorial incomes and I am assuming that any breakthrough goes for all of them. (E.G. Heavy Bombers for USA means Heavy Bombers for UK, ANZAC and France as well.) A couple of questions about this:
A> Since China doesn’t really get techs, do you still include their income when figuring tech rolls for the Allies?
B> It’s a pretty standard G1 move to take France, Normandy and Southern France right off the bat. Even though France’s money then goes to Germany and they can no longer purchase units, capturing those 3 territories takes 9 IPCs from France’s income leaving them at 10 IPCs on the National Production Chart. Do you count that 10 IPCs in with the other Allies’ production amounts to get the Allies’ total? Or once a capital is lost, is that country’s remaining production amount disregarded until it is liberated?I do not count China’s income towards tech rolls, also its not money in the bank, rather your current total production value (territories), NOs and IPCs saved do not count. Also remember USA’s income wont count until its at war, and Russian wont start collecting tokens until its at war either. I did still count France territories after Paris fell.
4> Rockets are supposed to have a range of 4. Also, rocket attacks are NOT susceptible to AA.
Again a mistake, they do have a range of 4. Thanks. The AA i added to mitigate them a little, remember airbases cost 12 now. Even so its just 1D6 to get past for each airbases rocket attack.
5> Heavy Bombers should get to roll 2 dice and keep BOTH, not just the best result. Heavy Bombers are bigger and pack a more powerful punch. They should be able to get the possibility of 2 hits in combat. As for SBRs, with regular bombers you roll 1 die then add +2 to the result. Rolling 2 dice and just keeping the best of the two could end up making them worse than regular bombers. You should get a bonus for getting Heavy Bombers. They cause more damage. Add both dice together, but no +2 to the result.
Heavy bombers were switched to LHTR (Larry Harris Tournament Rules) quite some time ago. The old heavy bombers were simply too powerfull, every game would be: whoever gets heavy bombers wins.
Regardless as per the Europe 2nd edition rulebook:
“Heavy Bombers: Your strategic bombers are now heavy bombers. When attacking, whether in a battle or a strategic bombing raid, roll two dice for each bomber and select the best result.”
Nowhere does it say “dont add 2 to dice during SBR”
Heavy bombers would roll 2 dice for SBR, select the best dice, add 2 to that dice, and that total is applied to the facility.By the way, I like your tech system. In most of our games, tech almost never gets used because no one wants to spend money on it. Now we can get some tech into the game.
Thanks knp7765
Round 2:
The European Axis declare war on all the European Neutrals, taking them all in one swift play except for Portugal.
Portugal is activated as an UKEurope territory.
-This means that during the Allies next turn they will receive one IPC from Portugal and may transport the 2 infantry to a different location.
Japan declares war on France and takes FIC, while building a naval base on Hainan.
So far not a single successful tech roll for either side :(
Updated setup changes:
Setup Changes:
Axis:
SZ96 - remove destroyer and transport
SZ95 - remove submarine
Ethiopia - remove artillery
N Italy - remove bomber, add fighter
S Italy - remove fighter, add tactical bomber
S Italy - remove fighter
Tobruk - remove artillery
Italian Somaliland - remove infantry
Allies:
SZ71 - add UK transport
SZ98 - remove tactical bomber, carrier, destroyer and transport.
SZ92 - add tactical bomber, carrier and destroyer
SZ4 - add Soviet submarine
UK(London) - add artillery
Alexandria - remove tank
Egypt - add tank
Malta - remove fighter, infantry and AAA
Gibraltar - add Airbase and infantry
Ukraine - add artillery
Sakha - add 2 artillery
There’s a lot of cool stuff in here. I like the things that would simplify the game, like having just 4 major powers and streamlining the price and function of facilities (all cost $12, all increase movement of land/air/sea units by +1, all can be damaged by the owner as scorched earth). I wonder if it might be possible further simplify. How about you drop NOs and tech altogether, have all powers start at war, and just let the dice start flying?
There’s a lot of cool stuff in here. I like the things that would simplify the game, like having just 4 major powers and streamlining the price and function of facilities (all cost $12, all increase movement of land/air/sea units by +1, all can be damaged by the owner as scorched earth). I wonder if it might be possible further simplify. How about you drop NOs and tech altogether, have all powers start at war, and just let the dice start flying?Â
Dropping NOs would definitely simplify it.
Tech adds some fun to it and creates varying strategy, but is usually an optional rule anyhow.
Its just OOB tech always seems like a slapped on thing at the end of the game creation process.
I’d be in favor of a NO-less version though, would make F2F game faster paced.
Shouldn’t this be in House Rules?
@Red:
Shouldn’t this be in House Rules?
Yes it should!!
Yet another house rules thread back from the grave in the 1940 Global forum…
THIS IS BS!!! Doesn’t anyone else see what’s wrong with this? aren’t the moderators monitoring this forum?
However, my biggest problem is USA being forced to split it’s IPCs between Europe and the Pacific theaters. What? Since when did the United States do an even split? You’re disabling the American ability to flexibly respond to crises as they arise? I.e., “looks like UK is going down due to Sea Lion and Russia is in deep doo doo. Too bad we can’t spend more in the European theater, even though the Japanese fleet is destroyed… Got to build more Carriers in San Francisco” That’s crazy.
I agree here, I’ve since changed my mind about this.
