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NATO Counter-offensive

So what would be the strategy for NATO, in the scenario of southeast Asia falling to the USSR?

Well, one method I have found successful in the past is for the UK to move their transports from around India all the way up to Western Canada. With the factory in Ontario, you can be consistently producing 4 infantry to send over to Kamchatka; essentially UK forces in the Siberian theatre just serve to absorb hits from Soviet counter-attacks, meaning the main NATO attack (US forces) remains strong and intact, and can continue to push.

Generally the US needs to hold all the territory in the area (North Korea, South Korea, Kamchatka, East Siberia) in order to have the income to sustain this land-grab; if they gain the Heavy Armor tech, it makes this easier – by building heavy tanks from the factory in East Siberia; their extra movement lets you do a “2 steps forward, 1 step back” move from a fortified position in East Siberia, into the territories bordering West Siberia. The UK can potentially snipe a few territories in this same manner, but the US really needs that extra income more; generally the Heavy Armor tech helps the UK more by allowing them to do “2 steps forward, 1 step back” from a factory built in India, through Pakistan, and into Turkmenistan.

The other place that NATO should look for openings is Turkey or Greece. Typically the US naval units from the Mediterranean will move to the Atlantic, but the WE and UK ships may stick around, if they aren’t destroyed by the Soviets. The US would have to extend themselves pretty far in order to be of any help in this theatre, so it’s best left to the WE and UK allies – assuming that US forces alone are strong enough to hold France, and that using NATO forces in the Mediterranean doesn’t compromise Italy in the process.

Soviet strategy

I think the biggest threat that this Soviet strategy presents, is that it forces NATO to choose between defending India, and attacking Siberia – and may still cause them to lose on both fronts. The presence of Soviet air power in China means that the US cannot leave their transports in the Pacific undefended, forcing the US fleet to make some hard choices:
1. sit off the coast of East Siberia, and watch the rest of Asia fall;
2. split, trying to defend the sea zone around Indochina as well as either the sea zone around Japan or off East Siberia, while trying to move infantry to both theatres every round, or;
3. try to keep all your transports covered, while moving infantry from the Philippines to Indochina every round, and from Japan to Indochina every other round.

Now, if China stops giving aid to the USSR, then this strategy is completely shut down. However, I would argue that this is the always case in this game, regardless of the particular strategy used – and in particular, when the US is prepared to attack heavily into Asia. In this game, the result of the nuclear attack was a Global Outrage, which helped cement China’s alliance with the Soviets; it should be noted that “Chinese Outrage” is also statistically more likely than outraging either of the other 2 neutral alliances, so all in all, the Soviets really need only to fear NATO spies swaying China away – until the Soviets start slinging nukes of their own. :wink:

In terms of technology, the most pivotal advancement for the USSR is to get ballistic missiles. Fusion weapons are nice to have, but not entirely necessary. With the placement of Soviet factories and AA guns as they are, ballistic missiles can easily threaten any place where NATO would be expected to mass their navies – effectively shutting down the shuck-shuck almost permanently, via nuclear deterrence. By contrast, amassing snorkel submarines is too costly, and self-propelled artillery (to win the land war) can take a long time to acquire – and anti-tank guns can prove devastating against them. Long-range aircraft can help expand the umbrella of a Soviet nuclear threat, but generally games will be over before helicopters come into play; they can be helpful for quickly spreading into an undefended Africa, if you for some reason don’t go the tried-and-tested route of treading over the Arab League, to get there.
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Round: 1 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 1 infantry and 4 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan 2 bombers moved from Japan to Yunnan 1 infantry moved from Jehol to Shansi 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe Japanese take Anhwe from Chinese 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Fukien to Kiangsi Japanese take Kiangsi from Chinese 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Kiangsi 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Manchuria to Shansi 1 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar Japanese take Chahar from Chinese 1 artillery moved from Jehol to Chahar 1 mech_infantry moved from Southern Manchuria to Chahar 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Southern Manchuria to Jehol 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kiangsu to Shansi Combat - Japanese Battle in Yunnan Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Chinese defend with 4 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Yunnan, round 2 : 4/9 hits, 3.33 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 4 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan 4 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Casualties for Chinese: 4 infantry Battle in Shansi Japanese attack with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers Chinese defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Shansi, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 2.50 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Shansi, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Shansi Japanese win, taking Shansi from Chinese with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Japanese 2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Shansi to Kiangsu 1 aaGun and 2 infantry moved from Northern Manchuria to Southern Manchuria 3 infantry moved from Korea to Southern Manchuria 1 infantry moved from Iwo Jima to 7 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Kyushu to 20 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Okinawa to 20 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Hokkaido to 7 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 7 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Formosa to 21 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 21 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Paulau to 36 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 6 infantry moved from 37 Sea Zone to Kwangsi 1 cruiser moved from 21 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 20 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Korea to Japan 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 7 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Japan to Marshall Islands 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from 34 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands 1 fighter moved from Formosa to Kwangsi Place Units - Japanese 4 transports placed in 7 Sea Zone 1 infantry placed in Japan Turn Complete - Japanese Japanese collect 32 PUs; end with 32 PUs Objective Japanese 1 Trade With America: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 42 PUs
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TripleA Turn Summary for game: The Rising Sun

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Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Masaharu regular : 0.67 Russians regular : 1.17
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