BotA U-505 vs. Pug

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires, version: 4.0.7

Game History

Round :14

Combat Move - France
            1 Fusiliers and 2 Mariness moved from Leinster to SZ30
            1 Chasseurs moved from North Wales to SZ30
            2 Barques, 1 Chasseurs, 1 Fusiliers and 2 Mariness moved from SZ30 to SZ34
            1 Chasseurs, 1 Fusiliers and 2 Mariness moved from SZ34 to Wessex
                  France take Wessex from UnitedKingdom
            1 Battleship moved from SZ27 to SZ28
                  France take SZ28 from UnitedKingdom
            1 Battleship moved from SZ28 to SZ29
            1 Hussars moved from Orleanais to Languedoc
            1 Fusiliers moved from Poitou to Gascony
                  France take Gascony from UnitedKingdom
            1 Hussars moved from Orleanais to Burgundy
            1 Hussars moved from Orleanais to Burgundy
            1 Dragoons and 1 Horse_Artillery moved from Auvergne to Burgundy
            5 Hussarss moved from Orleanais to Languedoc
            6 Artillerys, 5 Chasseurss, 28 Fusilierss, 2 Grenadierss and 20 Howitzers moved from Auvergne to Gascony
            3 Dragoonss and 5 Horse_Artillerys moved from Auvergne to Languedoc
            1 Hussars moved from Orleanais to Languedoc
            1 Hussars moved from Orleanais to Gascony

Purchase Units - France
            France buy 1 Cuirassiers, 1 Cutter and 8 Fusilierss; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat - France
            Battle in Languedoc
                France attack with 3 Dragoonss, 5 Horse_Artillerys and 7 Hussarss
                UnitedKingdom defend with 1 Fusiliers
                    France roll dice for 3 Dragoonss, 5 Horse_Artillerys and 7 Hussarss in Languedoc, round 1 :  3/1 hits
                    UnitedKingdom roll dice for 1 Fusiliers in Languedoc, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    1 Fusiliers owned by the UnitedKingdom lost in Languedoc
                France win, taking Languedoc from UnitedKingdom with 3 Dragoonss, 5 Horse_Artillerys and 7 Hussarss remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for UnitedKingdom: 1 Fusiliers
            Battle in Burgundy
                France attack with 1 Dragoons, 1 Horse_Artillery and 2 Hussarss
                AustrianEmpire defend with 1 Hussars
                    France roll dice for 1 Dragoons, 1 Horse_Artillery and 2 Hussarss in Burgundy, round 1 :  1/0 hits
                    KingdomOfPrussia roll dice for 1 Hussars in Burgundy, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    1 Hussars owned by the AustrianEmpire lost in Burgundy
                France win, taking Burgundy from KingdomOfPrussia with 1 Dragoons, 1 Horse_Artillery and 2 Hussarss remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for AustrianEmpire: 1 Hussars

Non Combat Move - France
            1 Dragoons moved from Auvergne to Provence
            4 Chasseurss moved from Auvergne to Champagne
            1 Howitzer moved from Picardy to Champagne
            1 Hussars moved from Normandy to Auvergne
            1 General moved from Normandy to Brittany
            1 Battleship moved from SZ30 to SZ33
            2 Battleships and 3 Corvettes moved from SZ35 to SZ33
            2 Battleships, 6 Brigantines, 3 Corvettes and 7 Cutters moved from SZ35 to SZ29

Place Units - France
            1 Cutter placed in SZ34
            1 Cuirassiers and 1 Fusiliers placed in Brittany
            France undo move 2.
            1 Fusiliers placed in Brittany
            1 Cuirassiers and 7 Fusilierss placed in Orleanais

Turn Complete - France
            France collect 63 PUs; end with 63 PUs total
            Objective Balancing Convoy Income for balanced game: France met a national objective for an additional -6 PUs; end with 57 PUs

Territory Summary for France :

North Wales : 1 flag
    SZ28 : 1 flag
    Lazes : 1 flag, 1 Ney
    SZ29 : 1 flag, 3 Battleships, 6 Brigantines, 3 Corvettes and 7 Cutters
    Languedoc : 1 flag, 3 Dragoonss, 5 Horse_Artillerys and 7 Hussarss
    Burgundy : 1 flag, 1 Dragoons, 1 Horse_Artillery and 2 Hussarss
    Flanders : 1 flag, 1 Fusiliers
    Egypt : 1 flag
    SZ34 : 1 flag, 2 Barques and 1 Cutter
    Auvergne : 1 flag, 1 Hussars
    Wessex : 1 flag, 1 Chasseurs, 1 Fusiliers and 2 Mariness
    SZ33 : 1 flag, 3 Battleships and 3 Corvettes
    Orleanais : 1 flag, 1 Capital, 1 Cuirassiers, 7 Fusilierss and 3 Mortella_Towers
    Sinai : 1 flag
    Hollande : 1 flag
    Gascony : 1 flag, 6 Artillerys, 5 Chasseurss, 29 Fusilierss, 2 Grenadierss, 20 Howitzers and 1 Hussars
    Provence : 1 flag, 1 Dragoons
    Leinster : 1 flag
    Brittany : 1 flag, 1 Fortress, 1 Fusiliers and 1 General
    Edinburgh : 1 flag
    Champagne : 1 flag, 10 Chasseurss, 9 Fusilierss and 1 Howitzer
    Ulster : 1 flag

Production/PUs Summary :

France : 63 / 57
    UnitedKingdom : 45 / 58
    Spain : 44 / 40
    KingdomOfPrussia : 29 / 34
    Sweden : 23 / 23
    AustrianEmpire : 35 / 36
    OttomanEmpire : 31 / 38
    Russia : 50 / 50

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires, version: 4.0.7

Game History

Round :14

Combat Move - Spain
            2 Dragoonss and 1 Horse_Artillery moved from New Castille to Valencia
            1 Artillery, 1 Chasseurs and 1 Mortars moved from El Erg to Algeria
            2 Mariness moved from Sardinia to SZ64
            2 Frigates and 2 Mariness moved from SZ64 to SZ57
            2 Mariness moved from SZ57 to Catalonia
            3 Mariness moved from Sardinia to SZ64
            1 Battleship, 2 Frigates and 3 Mariness moved from SZ64 to SZ59
            3 Mariness moved from SZ59 to Algeria

Purchase Units - Spain
            Spain buy 1 Corvette, 2 Cutters and 6 Mortella_Towers; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat - Spain
            Battle in Catalonia
                Spain attack with 2 Mariness
                UnitedKingdom defend with 1 Fusiliers
                    Spain roll dice for 2 Frigates in Catalonia, round 1 :  1/0 hits
                    1 Fusiliers owned by the UnitedKingdom lost in Catalonia
                Spain win, taking Catalonia from UnitedKingdom with 2 Mariness remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for UnitedKingdom: 1 Fusiliers
            Battle in Algeria
                Spain attack with 1 Artillery, 1 Chasseurs, 3 Mariness and 1 Mortars
                Neutral defend with 2 Fusilierss
                    Spain roll dice for 1 Battleship and 2 Frigates in Algeria, round 1 :  1/1 hits
                    1 Fusiliers owned by the Neutral lost in Algeria
                    Spain roll dice for 1 Artillery, 1 Chasseurs, 3 Mariness and 1 Mortars in Algeria, round 1 :  3/0 hits
                    Neutral roll dice for 1 Fusiliers in Algeria, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    1 Fusiliers owned by the Neutral lost in Algeria
                Spain win, taking Algeria from Neutral with 1 Artillery, 1 Chasseurs, 3 Mariness and 1 Mortars remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Neutral: 2 Fusilierss
            Battle in Valencia
                Spain attack with 2 Dragoonss and 1 Horse_Artillery
                KingdomOfPrussia defend with 1 Hussars
                    Spain roll dice for 2 Dragoonss and 1 Horse_Artillery in Valencia, round 1 :  1/0 hits
                    KingdomOfPrussia roll dice for 1 Hussars in Valencia, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    1 Hussars owned by the KingdomOfPrussia lost in Valencia
                Spain win, taking Valencia from KingdomOfPrussia with 2 Dragoonss and 1 Horse_Artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for KingdomOfPrussia: 1 Hussars

Non Combat Move - Spain
            1 Fusiliers moved from Andalusia to New Castille
            1 Fusiliers moved from Algarve to Oporto
            1 General moved from Andalusia to SZ54
            1 Barque and 1 General moved from SZ54 to SZ58
            1 General moved from SZ58 to Oran
            1 General moved from Sardinia to SZ64
            1 Brigantine moved from SZ64 to SZ61
            1 Cutter moved from SZ64 to SZ61
            1 Brigantine moved from SZ64 to SZ60
            1 Barque, 1 Brigantine, 2 Corvettes, 5 Cutters and 1 General moved from SZ64 to SZ59
            1 General moved from SZ59 to Algeria

Place Units - Spain
            2 Cutters placed in SZ58
            1 Corvette placed in SZ58
            6 Mortella_Towers placed in New Castille

Turn Complete - Spain
            Spain collect 45 PUs; end with 46 PUs total
            Objective Balancing Convoy Income for balanced game: Spain met a national objective for an additional -10 PUs; end with 36 PUs

Territory Summary for Spain :

Sardinia : 1 flag, 1 Cuirassiers, 2 Fortresss and 3 Mortella_Towers
    SZ64 : 1 flag, 1 Cutter
    Valencia : 1 flag, 2 Dragoonss and 1 Horse_Artillery
    SZ61 : 1 flag, 1 Brigantine and 1 Cutter
    El Erg : 1 flag
    Tangiers : 1 flag
    Algarve : 1 flag
    Oran : 1 flag, 1 General
    Alemtejo : 1 flag
    Majorca : 1 flag, 1 Encampment and 1 Fusiliers
    Oporto : 1 flag, 1 Fusiliers
    Atlas : 1 flag
    Catalonia : 1 flag, 2 Mariness
    Provence : 1 flag
    SZ60 : 1 flag, 1 Brigantine and 1 Cutter
    SZ59 : 1 flag, 1 Barque, 1 Battleship, 1 Brigantine, 2 Corvettes, 5 Cutters and 2 Frigates
    SZ57 : 1 flag, 2 Frigates
    West Sahara : 1 flag
    Algeria : 1 flag, 1 Artillery, 1 Chasseurs, 1 General, 3 Mariness and 1 Mortars
    SZ58 : 1 flag, 1 Barque, 1 Corvette and 2 Cutters
    Andalusia : 1 flag
    New Castille : 1 flag, 1 Capital, 4 Fusilierss and 20 Mortella_Towers

Production/PUs Summary :

France : 62 / 57
    UnitedKingdom : 47 / 44
    Spain : 45 / 36
    KingdomOfPrussia : 28 / 34
    Sweden : 23 / 23
    AustrianEmpire : 35 / 36
    OttomanEmpire : 31 / 38
    Russia : 50 / 50

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires, version: 4.0.7

Game History

Round :14

Combat Move - Sweden
            1 Fusiliers moved from Skane to SZ10
            1 Fusiliers moved from SZ10 to Holstein
                  Sweden take Holstein from KingdomOfPrussia
            1 Cutter moved from SZ11 to SZ19
                  Sweden take SZ19 from UnitedKingdom

Purchase Units - Sweden
            Sweden buy 1 Fusiliers and 2 Mortarss; Remaining resources: 3 PUs;

Combat - Sweden

Non Combat Move - Sweden
            1 General moved from Skane to SZ11
            1 General moved from SZ11 to Jutland
            1 Fusiliers and 4 Mariness moved from Pomerania to SZ9
            3 Fusilierss moved from Svealand to Ostra Gotaland
            1 Barque moved from SZ6 to SZ9
            1 Fusiliers and 4 Mariness moved from SZ9 to Ostra Gotaland

Place Units - Sweden
            2 Mortarss placed in Jutland
            1 Fusiliers placed in Svealand

Turn Complete - Sweden
            Sweden collect 26 PUs; end with 29 PUs total

Territory Summary for Sweden :

Norvege : 1 flag
    Bohus : 1 flag, 1 Fortress
    Svealand : 1 flag, 1 Capital, 1 Fusiliers and 1 Mortella_Tower
    SZ9 : 1 flag, 3 Barques, 1 Battleship and 2 Frigates
    Pomerania : 1 flag, 1 Fusiliers
    Jutland : 1 flag, 2 Artillerys, 8 Chasseurss, 1 Dragoons, 2 Fortresss, 1 Fusiliers, 1 General, 2 Grenadierss, 6 Mariness and 2 Mortarss
    Skane : 1 flag, 1 Artillery
    SZ8 : 1 flag
    SZ3 : 1 flag, 3 Brigantines and 5 Cutters
    SZ10 : 1 flag, 1 Barque
    Holstein : 1 flag, 1 Fusiliers
    SZ11 : 1 flag, 1 Barque
    SZ19 : 1 flag, 1 Cutter
    Ostra Gotaland : 1 flag, 4 Fusilierss and 4 Mariness

Production/PUs Summary :

France : 62 / 57
    UnitedKingdom : 49 / 44
    Spain : 40 / 36
    KingdomOfPrussia : 32 / 33
    Sweden : 26 / 29
    AustrianEmpire : 35 / 36
    OttomanEmpire : 31 / 38
    Russia : 50 / 50

i tune in every couple days and there are always interesting developments

i knew going spain was a possibility for the coalition, but i didn’t think you’d do it unless you could take the capital

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires, version: 4.0.7

Game History

Round :14

Combat Move - OttomanEmpire
            1 Fusiliers moved from Tarsus to Antioch
                  OttomanEmpire take Antioch from Russia
            1 Fusiliers moved from Armenia to Edessa
                  OttomanEmpire take Edessa from Russia
            2 Frigates moved from SZ92 to SZ97
            1 Barque moved from SZ95 to SZ96
            1 Fusiliers moved from Sinop to SZ96
            1 Barque and 1 Fusiliers moved from SZ96 to SZ97
            1 Fusiliers moved from SZ97 to Astrakahn
            1 Barque moved from SZ99 to SZ96
            1 Fusiliers moved from Sinop to SZ96
            1 Barque and 1 Fusiliers moved from SZ96 to SZ97
            1 Fusiliers moved from SZ97 to Astrakahn
            1 Brigantine moved from SZ74 to SZ73
                  OttomanEmpire take SZ73 from UnitedKingdom
            1 Brigantine moved from SZ73 to SZ74
            2 Chasseurss and 1 Fusiliers moved from Armenia to Edessa

Purchase Units - OttomanEmpire
            OttomanEmpire buy 2 Dragoonss, 3 Fusilierss, 1 Horse_Artillery and 1 Marshal; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat - OttomanEmpire
            Battle in Astrakahn
                OttomanEmpire attack with 2 Fusilierss
                Russia defend with 1 Grenadiers
                    OttomanEmpire roll dice for 2 Frigates in Astrakahn, round 1 :  1/0 hits
                    1 Grenadiers owned by the Russia lost in Astrakahn
                OttomanEmpire win, taking Astrakahn from Russia with 2 Fusilierss remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Russia: 1 Grenadiers

Non Combat Move - OttomanEmpire
            1 Fusiliers moved from Sinop to Lazes
            1 Hussars moved from Constantinople to Sinop
            1 Chasseurs moved from Albania to SZ79
            1 Marines moved from Thessaly to SZ79
            1 Barque, 1 Chasseurs and 1 Marines moved from SZ79 to SZ82
            1 Marines moved from Constantinople to Kiutayeh
            1 Fusiliers moved from Anatolia to Sinop
            2 Marshals moved from Anatolia to Tarsus
            2 Dragoonss, 6 Horse_Artillerys and 2 Hussarss moved from Armenia to Tarsus
            8 Chasseurss and 1 Fusiliers moved from Armenia to Lazes
            1 Howitzer moved from Tarsus to Lazes

Place Units - OttomanEmpire
            2 Dragoonss and 1 Horse_Artillery placed in Anatolia
            3 Fusilierss and 1 Marshal placed in Constantinople

Turn Complete - OttomanEmpire
            OttomanEmpire collect 34 PUs; end with 34 PUs total

Territory Summary for OttomanEmpire :

Tarsus : 1 flag, 2 Dragoonss, 6 Horse_Artillerys, 2 Hussarss and 2 Marshals
    Astrakahn : 1 flag, 2 Fusilierss
    SZ82 : 1 flag, 1 Barque, 1 Chasseurs and 1 Marines
    SZ98 : 1 flag
    Armenia : 1 flag
    Midian : 1 flag
    Lazes : 1 flag, 1 Artillery, 17 Chasseurss, 8 Fusilierss, 2 Howitzers, 1 Marines and 1 Mortars
    Georgia : 1 flag
    SZ97 : 1 flag, 2 Barques and 2 Frigates
    Antioch : 1 flag, 1 Fusiliers
    SZ92 : 1 flag, 1 Barque
    Constantinople : 1 flag, 1 Capital, 7 Fortresss, 3 Fusilierss, 1 Marshal and 25 Mortella_Towers
    Sinop : 1 flag, 1 Fusiliers and 1 Hussars
    Edessa : 1 flag, 2 Chasseurss and 2 Fusilierss
    SZ73 : 1 flag
    Kiutayeh : 1 flag, 1 Marines
    Candia : 1 flag, 1 Encampment and 1 Mortella_Tower
    SZ74 : 1 flag, 1 Brigantine
    Anatolia : 1 flag, 2 Dragoonss, 1 General, 1 Horse_Artillery and 1 Mortella_Tower
    Thessaly : 1 flag, 1 Marines

Production/PUs Summary :

France : 61 / 57
    UnitedKingdom : 43 / 44
    Spain : 40 / 36
    KingdomOfPrussia : 32 / 33
    Sweden : 26 / 29
    AustrianEmpire : 36 / 36
    OttomanEmpire : 34 / 34
    Russia : 47 / 50

@pug6000:

This game is a perfect example for one of the main principles of the game.

The Coalitions strength and weakness are the joined forces. They will always fight in a joined group. It’s perfect for defence, good for advance, but it’s horrible for a decisive attack.

The Carolingians are always on their own. Their own allies cant help them. They really have a hard time defending, but when it comes to a big fight, they are better as all forces are of one nation.

@Veqryn:

i tune in every couple days and there are always interesting developments

i knew going spain was a possibility for the coalition, but i didn’t think you’d do it unless you could take the capital

I’m not sure he had a choice. I left him with 2 equally distasteful options. Either go for Spain or back out of Champagne. Because of the combination of strengths and weaknesses pug mentioned above as well as France’s large production capacity, France could afford to build nothing but guns for quite a few turns and still maintain the defense of Paris while rapidly increasing their offensive abilities. I calculated about 2 or 3 more turns before I could force him back.

I think he went for Spain because they were in a very tight struggle with the English in the Med and Spain had a couple important advantages. First, Spain had a 6 to 4 naval production capacity edge in addition to a slightly larger navy. Second, Spain could spend their entire income to fight the English while England couldn’t because France was making minor landings in UK which made him divert some of England’s income to defense. If Spain was able to break through the English naval wall, they could eventually aid the Ottomans against the Russians and/or pressure Austria through Italy.

I have to say, I’m enjoying this game very much. It isn’t often I play a game that is so contentious against a fantastic opponent. My A&A games tend to end up being one sided because of the dice.

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires, version: 4.0.7

Game History

Round :15

Combat Move - France
            6 Artillerys, 5 Chasseurss, 29 Fusilierss, 2 Grenadierss and 20 Howitzers moved from Gascony to Navarre
                  Spain take Navarre from KingdomOfPrussia
            1 Hussars moved from Languedoc to Aragon
            1 Hussars moved from Languedoc to Aragon
            1 Dragoons moved from Languedoc to Aragon
            1 Horse_Artillery moved from Languedoc to Aragon
            1 Hussars moved from Burgundy to Valais
                  France take Valais from KingdomOfPrussia
            1 Hussars moved from Valais to Provence
            2 Battleships moved from SZ33 to SZ41
            1 Fusiliers and 1 Marines moved from Wessex to SZ34
            1 Barque, 1 Fusiliers and 1 Marines moved from SZ34 to SZ41
            1 Fusiliers and 1 Marines moved from SZ41 to Galacia

Purchase Units - France
            France buy 1 Brigantine, 10 Fusilierss, 1 Horse_Artillery and 1 Hussars; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat - France
            Battle in Galacia
                France attack with 1 Fusiliers and 1 Marines
                UnitedKingdom defend with 1 Dragoons
                    France roll dice for 2 Battleships in Galacia, round 1 :  1/1 hits
                    1 Dragoons owned by the UnitedKingdom lost in Galacia
                France win, taking Galacia from UnitedKingdom with 1 Fusiliers and 1 Marines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for UnitedKingdom: 1 Dragoons
            Battle in Aragon
                France attack with 1 Dragoons, 1 Horse_Artillery and 2 Hussarss
                UnitedKingdom defend with 1 Fusiliers
                    France roll dice for 1 Dragoons, 1 Horse_Artillery and 2 Hussarss in Aragon, round 1 :  1/0 hits
                    KingdomOfPrussia roll dice for 1 Fusiliers in Aragon, round 1 :  1/1 hits
                    1 Fusiliers owned by the UnitedKingdom and 1 Hussars owned by the France lost in Aragon
                France win, taking Aragon from KingdomOfPrussia with 1 Dragoons, 1 Horse_Artillery and 1 Hussars remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for France: 1 Hussars
                Casualties for UnitedKingdom: 1 Fusiliers

Non Combat Move - France
            1 Dragoons moved from Languedoc to Provence
            1 Dragoons moved from Languedoc to Champagne
            1 Dragoons moved from Burgundy to Champagne
            1 Hussars moved from Burgundy to Champagne
            1 Hussars moved from Auvergne to Champagne
            1 Hussars moved from Gascony to Champagne
            1 Hussars moved from Languedoc to Champagne
            1 Horse_Artillery moved from Burgundy to Catalonia
            1 Cuirassiers moved from Orleanais to Gascony
            7 Fusilierss moved from Orleanais to Champagne
            1 Fusiliers moved from Flanders to Champagne
            1 Hussars moved from Languedoc to Champagne
            4 Horse_Artillerys and 3 Hussarss moved from Languedoc to Valencia
            1 Chasseurs and 1 Marines moved from Wessex to SZ34
            1 Chasseurs and 1 Marines moved from SZ34 to Brittany
            1 Cutter moved from SZ34 to SZ29
            1 Battleship and 3 Corvettes moved from SZ33 to SZ35

Place Units - France
            1 Brigantine placed in SZ34
            10 Fusilierss placed in Orleanais
            1 Horse_Artillery and 1 Hussars placed in Brittany

Turn Complete - France
            France collect 62 PUs; end with 62 PUs total
            Objective Balancing Convoy Income for balanced game: France met a national objective for an additional -6 PUs; end with 56 PUs

Territory Summary for France :

Valencia : 1 flag, 4 Horse_Artillerys and 3 Hussarss
    North Wales : 1 flag
    SZ35 : 1 flag, 1 Battleship and 3 Corvettes
    SZ28 : 1 flag
    SZ41 : 1 flag, 1 Barque and 2 Battleships
    Lazes : 1 flag, 1 Ney
    SZ29 : 1 flag, 3 Battleships, 6 Brigantines, 3 Corvettes and 8 Cutters
    Flanders : 1 flag
    Egypt : 1 flag
    SZ34 : 1 flag, 1 Barque and 1 Brigantine
    Aragon : 1 flag, 1 Dragoons, 1 Horse_Artillery and 1 Hussars
    Wessex : 1 flag
    Orleanais : 1 flag, 1 Capital, 10 Fusilierss and 3 Mortella_Towers
    Sinai : 1 flag
    Catalonia : 1 flag, 1 Horse_Artillery
    Gascony : 1 flag, 1 Cuirassiers
    Provence : 1 flag, 2 Dragoonss and 1 Hussars
    Galacia : 1 flag, 1 Fusiliers and 1 Marines
    Leinster : 1 flag
    Brittany : 1 flag, 1 Chasseurs, 1 Fortress, 1 Fusiliers, 1 General, 1 Horse_Artillery, 1 Hussars and 1 Marines
    Navarre : 1 flag, 6 Artillerys, 5 Chasseurss, 29 Fusilierss, 2 Grenadierss and 20 Howitzers
    Champagne : 1 flag, 10 Chasseurss, 2 Dragoonss, 17 Fusilierss, 1 Howitzer and 5 Hussarss
    Ulster : 1 flag

Production/PUs Summary :

France : 62 / 56
    UnitedKingdom : 41 / 44
    Spain : 45 / 36
    KingdomOfPrussia : 28 / 33
    Sweden : 26 / 29
    AustrianEmpire : 36 / 36
    OttomanEmpire : 32 / 34
    Russia : 50 / 50

@pug6000:

1. Till last round I always had the chance to take Madrid.

Yes, I accepted that. Which is why I didn’t try to defend it until I was absolutely sure that you were moving on it.

2. I had the chance to hold Champagne for at least 2 more rounds.

I figured 3 rounds. But, I was prepared to start building French mortars to speed up the process.

Still U-505 got it right - the Med was in danger and I wanted to increase my chances to win in that area. So I moved towards Spain. The question was: what could he do. He had to follow with the French army to threaten to retake Madrid.

I agree. It was the best move. Even if the French can finally remove your army from Spain, they will be left with a pile of units that are too far away from anything to be useful for many turns.

So far you are more or less right. Now comes the interesting part. You dont have to take the capital to destroy a country. If I stay in Spain, Spain is crippled. It looses most of it’s income and UK has all time it wants to gain control of the seas.

I agree again. If you had taken Madrid, I had planned to use the French cavalry to threaten Rome and help the Spanish hold the Med while the rest of the French army finished off the Coalition army in Spain. By not taking Madrid and keeping your combined army intact, you have forced me to make a distasteful choice of my own. I now have to send my cavalry to Spain and I have no choice but to retreat the Spanish navy and give the English back all of the gains and more that my navy made in the last few rounds.

Here I should better stop and wait for the next Spanish move to continue the explanation. There is one more important point, but I am curious about the French and Spanish move. So far U-505 was really good to anticipate my plans, so I wonder if he again knows what I am up to  :-)

Well, not taking Lisbon with the Austrian cavalry is my big clue. I believed your intent was to take Lisbon with the English dragoon and then build an encampment there. I have many reasons to think so.

1. The French army is too far away to prevent you from stacking there which gives you time to build up more ground forces to defend it.

2. It immediately threatens the Spanish convoy zone. Another reason I have to retreat my Spanish navy.

3. Prussia and Austria are both locked in tight struggles of their own elsewhere so building and supplying an encampment leaves them lean in their other fights.

4. The English have a lot of disposable income since the French are interdicting their ability to build ships in Essex and not making large landings of troops on the English island to force you to defend it.

The English encampment in Lisbon seems like the logical choice. It makes perfect sense.

i know pug knows this, but i hope u505 knows this.

that -10 national objective that is hitting spain every turn: it will happen no matter what

if spain loses that convoy, and loses the rest of spain, except her capital, spain will:

make 5 or slightly more each round
then lose 10

ends up with 0 (zero) income (cus you can’t go negative)

think of it like global 1940’s blockades if you want: an american fleet in sea zone 6 can kill all of japan’s “land income”
(this is just to help visualize it, they are different rules for different games)

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires, version: 4.0.7

Game History

Round :15

Combat Move - Spain
            1 Fusiliers moved from New Castille to Estremadura
                  Spain take Estremadura from KingdomOfPrussia
            3 Fusilierss moved from New Castille to Andalusia
            2 Dragoonss and 1 Horse_Artillery moved from Valencia to Andalusia
            2 Mariness moved from Catalonia to SZ57
            2 Frigates and 2 Mariness moved from SZ57 to SZ54
            2 Mariness moved from SZ54 to Andalusia
            2 Mariness moved from Algeria to SZ58
            1 Marines moved from Algeria to SZ58
            1 Barque, 1 Corvette and 3 Mariness moved from SZ58 to SZ54
            3 Mariness moved from SZ54 to Andalusia
            1 Artillery, 1 Chasseurs and 1 Mortars moved from Algeria to Areg

Purchase Units - Spain
            Spain buy 1 Chasseurs, 2 Cutters, 2 Fusilierss, 1 Horse_Artillery and 2 Mortella_Towers; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat - Spain
            Battle in Andalusia
                Spain attack with 2 Dragoonss, 3 Fusilierss, 1 Horse_Artillery and 5 Mariness
                KingdomOfPrussia defend with 1 Horse_Artillery
                    Spain roll dice for 2 Frigates in Andalusia, round 1 :  1/0 hits
                    1 Horse_Artillery owned by the KingdomOfPrussia lost in Andalusia
                Spain win, taking Andalusia from UnitedKingdom with 2 Dragoonss, 3 Fusilierss, 1 Horse_Artillery and 5 Mariness remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
                Casualties for KingdomOfPrussia: 1 Horse_Artillery
            Battle in Areg
                Spain attack with 1 Artillery, 1 Chasseurs and 1 Mortars
                Neutral defend with 1 Fusiliers
                    Spain roll dice for 1 Artillery, 1 Chasseurs and 1 Mortars in Areg, round 1 :  2/1 hits
                    Neutral roll dice for 1 Fusiliers in Areg, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    1 Fusiliers owned by the Neutral lost in Areg
                Spain win, taking Areg from Neutral with 1 Artillery, 1 Chasseurs and 1 Mortars remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Neutral: 1 Fusiliers

Non Combat Move - Spain
            1 General moved from Oran to Tangiers
            1 General moved from Algeria to Oran
            1 Barque moved from SZ59 to SZ64
            1 Cuirassiers moved from Sardinia to SZ64
            1 Barque and 1 Cuirassiers moved from SZ64 to SZ60
            1 Battleship, 1 Brigantine, 2 Corvettes, 4 Cutters and 2 Frigates moved from SZ59 to SZ58
            2 Cutters moved from SZ58 to SZ54
            1 Cutter moved from SZ60 to SZ58
            1 Cutter moved from SZ61 to SZ58

Place Units - Spain
            2 Mortella_Towers placed in Majorca
            1 Chasseurs, 2 Fusilierss and 1 Horse_Artillery placed in New Castille
            1 Cutter placed in SZ58
            1 Cutter placed in SZ54

Turn Complete - Spain
            Spain collect 47 PUs; end with 47 PUs total
            Objective Balancing Convoy Income for balanced game: Spain met a national objective for an additional -10 PUs; end with 37 PUs

Territory Summary for Spain :

Sardinia : 1 flag, 2 Fortresss and 3 Mortella_Towers
    SZ64 : 1 flag, 1 Cutter
    SZ61 : 1 flag, 1 Brigantine
    El Erg : 1 flag
    Tangiers : 1 flag, 1 General
    Oran : 1 flag, 1 General
    Alemtejo : 1 flag
    Majorca : 1 flag, 1 Encampment, 1 Fusiliers and 2 Mortella_Towers
    Atlas : 1 flag
    Estremadura : 1 flag, 1 Fusiliers
    Provence : 1 flag
    SZ60 : 1 flag, 1 Barque, 1 Brigantine and 1 Cuirassiers
    SZ59 : 1 flag, 1 Cutter
    SZ54 : 1 flag, 1 Barque, 1 Corvette, 3 Cutters and 2 Frigates
    West Sahara : 1 flag
    Algeria : 1 flag
    SZ58 : 1 flag, 1 Battleship, 1 Brigantine, 2 Corvettes, 7 Cutters and 2 Frigates
    Andalusia : 1 flag, 2 Dragoonss, 3 Fusilierss, 1 Horse_Artillery and 5 Mariness
    Areg : 1 flag, 1 Artillery, 1 Chasseurs and 1 Mortars
    New Castille : 1 flag, 1 Capital, 1 Chasseurs, 2 Fusilierss, 1 Horse_Artillery and 20 Mortella_Towers

Production/PUs Summary :

France : 61 / 56
    UnitedKingdom : 42 / 40
    Spain : 47 / 37
    KingdomOfPrussia : 27 / 33
    Sweden : 26 / 29
    AustrianEmpire : 36 / 36
    OttomanEmpire : 32 / 34
    Russia : 50 / 50

@pug6000:

What shall I say … Lisboa was and is my intention. An encampment threatening the convoy zones in that area is a big problem. Spain really depends on that convoy zone.

Yeah, it’s really a pain in the ass having to move my fleet back to protect it.

@Veqryn:

i know pug knows this, but i hope u505 knows this.

that -10 national objective that is hitting spain every turn: it will happen no matter what

if spain loses that convoy, and loses the rest of spain, except her capital, spain will:

make 5 or slightly more each round
then lose 10

ends up with 0 (zero) income (cus you can’t go negative)

think of it like global 1940’s blockades if you want: an american fleet in sea zone 6 can kill all of japan’s “land income”
(this is just to help visualize it, they are different rules for different games)

Pug explained it but it still took a little while to wrap my head around it. Basically, controlling all of your convoy zones doesn’t necessarily mean you get all of your income. Some countries will always have an economic hit no matter what.

ya it is a bit confusing, and i am looking at ways of making it simpler for new users

basically, it was a balancing decision

i wanted there to be more territories and convoy income in the game

but i didn’t want spain to be making ~50 or 60 a round

so the solution was to keep the higher amount of income, but then use a negative objective to reduce certain nation’s income so that game would be balanced