HBG U.S. Naval Sculpts Preorder

Hey Coach, what percentage are we at now?

Dangermouse,

Congrats on your pre-order of 10 sets!

And Thank You from all of us gamers for your helping to make this set(s) more likely to be produced.

WARRIOR,…add another name to the 1010 Set membership.

“Tall Paul”

Everyone,

I’m truly hoping that the 1010 set will come to stand for:

10 sets ORDERED,…and 10 sets PLAYED with in a game.

It’s named after the “1010 dock” in Pearl Harbor that is 1,010 feet long.  It’s where the Minelayer Oglala was docked on Dec 7, 1941 and slowly sank after a torpedo run under her and exploded against a Cruiser beside her making all of her old seams leak.

“Tall Paul”

“Coach”,

Maybe you could also give us an UPDATE on the units YOU see as being included in the 1st set.  I remember that you said you wanted it versital with as many different ship types as possible.  You also said we didn’t need two Heavy Carriers or several Old Battleships duplicating units already being produced.  Please let us know YOUR thoughts as I’m just going to GUESS at it below.

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Using your thoughts,…MY “GUESS” would be the 1st set MIGHT include:
(Bold Face marks units that seem certain for inclusion)

“Montana” class Battleship
***     Heavy Cruiser (Possible temp. replacement by OOB Cruiser?)                            
         “Independance” class Light Carrier
***     Light Cruiser  (Possibly replaced with “Atlanta” class CLAA Anti-Aircraft Cruiser?)
         Destroyer Escort
         PBY Seaplane
         AO Oiler
         “Essex” class Carrier
***     B-29 “SuperFortress” VLR Heavy Bomber (Is this to be included in a Naval Set?)
         “Alaska” class BattleCruiser
         LST  Landing Ship-Tank
         PT Patrol/Torpedo Boat
         “Atlanta” class CLAA Anti-Aircraft Cruiser
         AV Seaplane Tender
         DMS Minesweeper
         LCVP HIGGENS BOAT  Landing Craft, Vehicle/Personnel

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This above list has 13 SOLID choices(Bold Face) with 3 possible deferments to another set(s).

It doesn’t include any of the Older or Mid-War Battleships or the LCM  Landing Craft-Mechanised.

The PT Boat, “Atlanta” CLAA, AV Seaplane Tender, and the DMS Minesweeper weren’t included in the voting from the start.  13-15 votes had already been cast before they were added to the list.  They seem to have been popular choices since their inclusion.

The LCM is a smaller craft for landing Tanks and IMHO not a necessary unit if we get the LST and the LCVP units produced.

The  LST and LCVP units ARE VERY NECESSARY!

Everyone, INCLUDING ME, wants the B-29 produced.  I’m just wondering if you’re going to include it in this Naval set,…or add a P-47 Thunderbolt, A-20 Havoc, and some others to it for an Air Force Set.

Please don’t anyone think I’m trying to do anything more than offer my
opinions(GUESSES) on what the “Coach” will include in the set(s).  It is HIS CHOICE,…I’m just asking him to “update” us as to his latest thoughts.

“Tall Paul”

Coach, this is an awesome lineup!  I like it.  It will add some serious USN fire  power to our AA games.  Your choices are excellent for set one.  If you can do a set two later and include the others then we would have double fire power for our games.

Keep up the terrific work and I am really looking forward to these being produced. :-D :-D :-D :-D

Cheers

WARRIOR888

Coach, if you don’t mind suggestions, I would trim the PT Boat and the LVCP Higgins Boat.  Gents look at page 6, I modified the list to include DANGERMOUSE’s pre-order of ten sets, and RAZORS 5.

Cheers

WARRIOR888

@coachofmany:

These are my choices.(need to trim two of them)
We are at 31% of funds needed to start sculpting.

Montana Class Heavy Battleship 26 (7.2%)
Essex Class Heavy Carrier 18 (5%)
Oiler 19 (5.3%)
Light Cruiser 20 (5.6%)
Destroyer Escort 20 (5.6%)
LCVP Higgins Boat 9 (2.5%)
South Dakota Class Battleship 18 (5%)
PBY Recon Aircraft 20 (5.6%)
B-29 17 (4.7%)
Alaska Class Battlecruiser 15 (4.2%)
PT Boat 11 (3.1%)
Anti-aircraft Cruiser (Atlanta class) 11 (3.1%)

I love the list and took off the LCM and the LST. I think for this set we can just have the LCVP. IMO  I love the idea of the light cruiser and the AA cruiser. I think the PT boat should stay, if not it should definetly be in the second set.

“Coach”,

As always, it’s great to hear from you again and Thanks for the “Update”.

Well, IMHO to trim 2 units from this 1st Set list I would suggest cutting:

(1.)  The LCM.  The LCM is completely unneccessary as long as you keep the LST and LCVP units.  The LST allows large invasions including Tanks,…and the LCVP is the “iconic” Landing Craft that everyone instantly recognizes.

(2.)  The “Alaska” BattleCruiser.  In real life there were only 2 of these ships made,…the USS Alaska and the USS Guam.  As far as gameplay concerns,…we would loose the least by cutting this ship type.  Although these would be “cool” units to have I would say delay them to the 2nd Set.

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Every other unit seems to be a REAL WINNER and would not only look COOL but would greatly increase our CAPABILITIES in gameplay terms.  This set should make everyone HAPPY!            :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

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I will still look forward to the 2nd Set and hope to get some “Independance” class CVLs,
APD Fast Attack Transports, AV Seaplane Tenders, DMS Minesweepers, the “Alaska” BattleCruiser, and all of the other Battleships.

“Tall Paul”

@WARRIOR888:

Gentlemen, current known “Roll Call” for US Naval Supplemental set pre-orders.

WARRIOR                10 EA
TALL PAUL              10 EA
TIGERMAN77           10 EA
KNP                       10 EA
DANGERMOUSE        10 EA
IMPERIOUS LEADER    6 EA
RAZOR                     5 EA
VARIABLE                 2 EA   (possibly 2 more before Dec)
AG124                     2 EA

This would be my list:

@coachofmany:

Montana Class Heavy Battleship  
Essex Class Heavy Carrier
Oiler
Light Cruiser
Destroyer Escort
LCVP Higgins Boat
LST  
South Dakota Class Battleship
PBY Recon Aircraft
B-29
PT Boat
Anti-aircraft Cruiser (Atlanta class)

“Tall Paul”

@Tall:

@WARRIOR888:

Gentlemen, current known “Roll Call” for US Naval Supplemental set pre-orders.

WARRIOR                10 EA
TALL PAUL              10 EA
TIGERMAN77           10 EA
KNP                       10 EA
DANGERMOUSE        10 EA
IMPERIOUS LEADER    6 EA
RAZOR                     5 EA
VARIABLE                 2 EA   (possibly 2 more before Dec)
AG124                     2 EA

Okay, put me in for the 2 more sets now. I just sent coach the funds…

Also, I agree with Tall Paul on the production list. I want the Higgins and the LST. Scrap the LCM. Also, how cool would the little LST models look in a game of D-Day… Come on, right? Scrap the Alaska for now in favor of keeping a more usable line up. And yes, we need the B-29s! Not just for this game, but every time period after. Korea, Vietnam, even Desert Storm if want I guess.

@WARRIOR888:

Gentlemen, current known “Roll Call” for US Naval Supplemental set pre-orders:

WARRIOR                10 EA
TALL PAUL              10 EA
TIGERMAN77           10 EA
KNP                       10 EA
DANGERMOUSE       10 EA
IMPERIOUS LEADER  6 EA
RAZOR                  5 EA
VARIABLE              4 EA  
AG124                  2 EA

I have to disagree with you guys on which ships to cut from the first set.  I think it should be by number of votes for each sculpt.
@coachofmany:

These are my choices.(need to trim two of them)
We are at 31% of funds needed to start sculpting.

Montana Class Heavy Battleship 26 (7.2%)
Essex Class Heavy Carrier 18 (5%)
Oiler 19 (5.3%)
Light Cruiser 20 (5.6%)
Destroyer Escort 20 (5.6%)
LCM 9 (2.5%)
LCVP Higgins Boat 9 (2.5%)
LST 14 (3.9%)
South Dakota Class Battleship 18 (5%)
PBY Recon Aircraft 20 (5.6%)
B-29 17 (4.7%)
Alaska Class Battlecruiser 15 (4.2%)
PT Boat 11 (3.1%)
Anti-aircraft Cruiser (Atlanta class) 11 (3.1%)

Both the LCM and LCVP Higgens Boat only have 9 votes each.  The Alaska has 15 (yes, I know that I have already stated that I am wanting this ship).  I’m just saying that going by the votes it looks like more people want the Alaska than want the LCM and LCVP.  There is still a month left for voting so if one or both manage to pass the Alaska, then I regretfully concede.  Of course, the final decision is up to Coach on what ships get made (assuming we get enough funds) and I will be happy with whatever final list he comes up with.

Just my 2 cents worth.

NOw that I have read other posts I think the independence cvl should replace one of the light cruisers or the B29.

KNP,

I understand what you’re saying concerning the voting numbers, but perhaps I might point out a few things:

1. Yes, the “Alaska” netted more votes than the LCVP “Higgens Boat”,…but the LCVP wasn’t in the voting from the very start and IMHO we just HAVE TO HAVE a “Higgens Boat” made.

2. IMHO the LCM should without question be DROPPED from this 1st Set.

3. The “Independance” Light Carrier I want (which didn’t make the semi-final list) garnered more votes than did the “South Dakota” Battleship which is included in the semi-final list.  BUT the “Coach” explained that he wanted this 1st Set to be as VERSATILE as possible and have as many different ship types as possible.  And I’m TOTALLY HAPPY with that, especially if it gets this 1st Set produced.

4. If you look at the semi-final list, each of the ship types offer us a new CAPABILITY or MORE DEPTH of gameplay.  IMHO the ships that offer us the least are the LCM and the “Alaska” BattleCruiser.  I hope this helps everyone to understand the "Coach’s decisions.

@Tall:

This would be my list:

@coachofmany:

Montana Class Heavy Battleship  
Essex Class Heavy Carrier
Oiler
Light Cruiser
Destroyer Escort
LCVP Higgins Boat
LST  
South Dakota Class Battleship
PBY Recon Aircraft
B-29
PT Boat
Anti-aircraft Cruiser (Atlanta class)

“Tall Paul”

We’ll just have to wait for the 2nd Set to get some more of the other units that would really increase our gameplay capabilities.

“Coach”, Thanks for all of your time and hard work so far on this “extra” project".

“Tall Paul”

Honestly I think a battlecruiser would be more used than 2 different light cruisers. No matter the historic value of the units, we have to be able to put them in a game. Even the LCM LCVM will only fit in the smaller games such as DDay and even the Okinawa game I’ve made.
I was thinking we could also drop the B29 and keep a ship! I’m sure coach will make another set and include the b29

In relation to coachofmany’s list, and the need to drop two units, I would definitely cut the LCM. Although I would keep the LST without a doubt, the LCVP seems a little below the scale of combat in the series of AAA games we have to date (or any existing boardgame of which I can think). There seems to be quite some demand here for this unit, but I personally do not see a role for it, as I would prefer to just ‘abstract’ the actual beach landing. Maybe my gaming preferences just differ from those of others in this regard.

Also, I would include a CA instead of a CL in the set, in light of the inclusion of the Atlanta-class CLAA. I know that FMG is already producing a Wichita-class CA, but that unit is, of course, a one-off class and I would like to see some CA variety in these sets. There were also more votes for a new CA than CL. Coachofmany - regardless of whether a CA or CL is included in your set, will you accept input from the community (via a second poll) as to the specific sculpt choice?

As well, I would place an pre-order for two more supplementary naval sets if I could combine them into my present pre-order without paying extra shipping.

@ Coachofmany - Thank you for reply. I do understand your reasoning, and I would not at all be adverse to a new CL sculpt. :wink: However, with FMG producing a single-ship class (one of the few FMG sculpt choices with which I would disagree), and with so many other iconic US CA’s left unproduced, I would subjectively prefer to see a New Orleans or Baltimore over a Cleveland, Brooklyn, or Omaha. I would personally just use the Atlanta to represent a conventional CL at this scale.

I didn’t consider the OOB ‘Portland’ representation in my post, as I intend never to use the poor-quality OOB pieces after having receiving full sets of FMG and HBG units. I believe I am not the only one who will cease using them, based on other community posts.

As well, regarding my earlier inquiry, is there any way for me to add two more pre-order US supplementary naval sets to my current pre-order?