UKcommander vs. aarules–Revised

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Well it appears my ruse worked! But really though I got lucky I got those 3 more hits.

@Ragnell804 said in AndrewAAgamer (Allies) vs. Germany (Ragnell804):

@AndrewAAGamer

First, the Axis will typically have 2 BH to fire onto the US units there. Every Allied player I have seen until you have used the Naval Bombardments to clear out the UK beaches to try and save the tanks from being destroyed, as it happened in this game. Because why would anyone not want to protect 3 of 14 available tanks, most of which do not get onto the board until the middle part of the game?

Ahhh, so your test group unanimously didn’t attack Omaha Beach. That explains a lot. I got into this testing of DDay because The Good Captain was expressing how unbalanced the game was. That the Germans win 80-90% of the time. That did not dovetail with my playing experience so I watched his DDay Axis and Allied best strategy videos. From what I saw the Axis strategy was sound but the Allied strategy was definitely lacking which I figured accounted for the difference in playing results. Now knowing, if all the testers did not attack Omaha Beach blockhouses with the Naval Bombardment, then that is a big reason why the Allies are having trouble winning.

That, in my opinion, shows some difference in experience since the allied tanks are a valuable resource to protect.

I agree, it does show the difference in experience, but in my favor, not yours.

If you look at this in detail, screenshot below, you can see there are five beach battle areas on Turn 1. There is a 64.9% chance that the Naval Bombardment will result in 2 hits. Your suggestion is to use those 2 hits on the 3 UK beaches due to “Because why would anyone not want to protect 3 of 14 available tanks,”. First off you cannot protect all 3. At best you are going to protect 1. So which one? There are 9 UK units available for Sword Beach and 3 blockhouses firing into them with just 2 defenders so certainly not that one. Juno Beach has 5 UK units with only 1 blockhouse firing into it and only 2 defenders so that looks like a good one to ignore too. Gold Beach looks like the prime spot due to the two blockhouses and 6 UK units attacking 4 units. Thus, killing those 2 blockhouses will help the landing force probably the most.

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Okay, so let’s compare the average results if we kill the 2 blockhouses on Omaha Beach versus killing the 2 on Gold Beach. We are going to go out to the end of the German 2 Turn because the earliest US reinforcements can get to Omaha Beach are on Allies 3.

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As you can see by attacking the UK Gold Beach you have a 2 unit swing. However, if you attack the US Omaha Beach you have an 8 unit swing. Last time I checked 8 units was better than 2 units even if one of the 2 units is a tank. Therefore, based on your testing group, there are SIX fewer Allied units on the board fighting the battle than you could have had if you had made the proper Turn 1 attack. That is a BIG DIFFERENCE!!!

This was one game, so how can you say the game is balanced? Based on the results thus far the game is 100% in favor of the Germans as they are 1-0 right now. Why don’t we play another to put your money where your mouth is to see if you can make it 1-1?

Sure, happy to play another; as long as we use Average Dice. Pure Luck proves nothing for testing.

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41359 Classic Round 02 - UK.tsvg

Game History

Round: 2 Purchase Units - British British buy 1 fighter and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; Combat Move - British 1 infantry moved from Kenya-Rhodesia to Anglo Sudan Egypt 1 bomber moved from Karelia S.S.R. to Anglo Sudan Egypt Combat - British Battle in Anglo Sudan Egypt British attack with 1 bomber and 1 infantry Japanese defend with 1 fighter British roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Anglo Sudan Egypt, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 fighter in Anglo Sudan Egypt, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Anglo Sudan Egypt 1 fighter owned by the Japanese lost in Anglo Sudan Egypt British win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9 Casualties for British: 1 infantry Casualties for Japanese: 1 fighter Non Combat Move - British 1 transport moved from North Sea Zone to East Canada Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from East Canada to East Canada Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from East Canada Sea Zone to North Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from United Kingdom to North Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from North Sea Zone to Finland Norway 1 bomber moved from Anglo Sudan Egypt to South Africa Place Units - British 2 transports placed in North Sea Zone 1 fighter placed in United Kingdom Turn Complete - British British collect 23 PUs; end with 25 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : 0,33 British regular : 0,17

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TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Japanese round 10

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 10 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese repair damage of 4x factory_minor; Remaining resources: 68 PUs; 1 SuicideAttackTokens; Japanese buy 1 artillery, 2 carriers and 4 destroyers; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 1 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Yunnan to Szechwan Japanese take Szechwan from Chinese 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Szechwan to Tsinghai Japanese take Tsinghai from Chinese 1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Burma Japanese take Burma from UK_Pacific 1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Kweichow Japanese take Kweichow from Chinese 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Shan State to 132 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 132 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to Davao 3 fighters moved from Japan to 20 Sea Zone 2 battleships, 6 carriers, 3 cruisers, 6 destroyers, 10 fighters, 4 submarines and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 132 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Szechwan Combat - Japanese Battle in Davao Battle in 20 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 2 battleships, 6 carriers, 3 cruisers, 6 destroyers, 13 fighters, 4 submarines and 2 tactical_bombers Americans defend with 2 battleships, 7 carriers, 2 cruisers, 7 destroyers, 10 fighters, 1 submarine, 4 tactical_bombers and 9 transports Japanese roll dice for 4 submarines in 20 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits Units damaged: 2 carriers owned by the Americans Japanese roll dice for 2 battleships, 6 carriers, 3 cruisers, 6 destroyers, 13 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in 20 Sea Zone, round 2 : 9/26 hits, 12.67 expected hits Units damaged: 5 carriers owned by the Americans and 2 battleships owned by the Americans Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 20 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits Americans roll dice for 2 battleships, 7 carriers, 2 cruisers, 7 destroyers, 10 fighters, 4 tactical_bombers and 9 transports in 20 Sea Zone, round 2 : 14/32 hits, 14.50 expected hits Units damaged: 2 battleships owned by the Japanese 6 carriers owned by the Japanese lost in 20 Sea Zone 1 submarine owned by the Americans and 1 carrier owned by the Americans lost in 20 Sea Zone Japanese roll dice for 4 submarines in 20 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 2 battleships, 3 cruisers, 6 destroyers, 13 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in 20 Sea Zone, round 3 : 13/26 hits, 12.67 expected hits Americans roll dice for 2 battleships, 6 carriers, 2 cruisers, 7 destroyers, 10 fighters, 4 tactical_bombers and 9 transports in 20 Sea Zone, round 3 : 18/31 hits, 14.33 expected hits 8 fighters owned by the Japanese, 6 destroyers owned by the Japanese and 4 submarines owned by the Japanese lost in 20 Sea Zone 7 destroyers owned by the Americans, 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Americans and 6 carriers owned by the Americans lost in 20 Sea Zone Japanese roll dice for 2 battleships, 3 cruisers, 5 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in 20 Sea Zone, round 4 : 7/12 hits, 6.67 expected hits Americans roll dice for 2 battleships, 2 cruisers, 10 fighters, 3 tactical_bombers and 9 transports in 20 Sea Zone, round 4 : 9/17 hits, 10.50 expected hits 2 tactical_bombers owned by the Japanese, 4 fighters owned by the Japanese and 3 cruisers owned by the Japanese lost in 20 Sea Zone 2 cruisers owned by the Americans, 3 tactical_bombers owned by the Americans and 2 fighters owned by the Americans lost in 20 Sea Zone Japanese roll dice for 2 battleships and 1 fighter in 20 Sea Zone, round 5 : 3/3 hits, 1.83 expected hits Americans roll dice for 2 battleships, 8 fighters and 9 transports in 20 Sea Zone, round 5 : 6/10 hits, 6.67 expected hits 1 fighter owned by the Japanese and 2 battleships owned by the Japanese lost in 20 Sea Zone 3 fighters owned by the Americans lost in 20 Sea Zone Americans win, taking Davao from Americans with 2 battleships, 5 fighters and 9 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is -101 Casualties for Japanese: 2 battleships, 6 carriers, 3 cruisers, 6 destroyers, 13 fighters, 4 submarines and 2 tactical_bombers Casualties for Americans: 7 carriers, 2 cruisers, 7 destroyers, 5 fighters, 1 submarine and 4 tactical_bombers 5 fighters owned by the Americans forced to land in Kiangsu Non Combat Move - Japanese 18 infantry and 2 marines moved from New South Wales to Queensland 1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Szechwan 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 6 infantry moved from Yunnan to Kweichow 4 tactical_bombers moved from New South Wales to 132 Sea Zone Place Units - Japanese 2 carriers and 1 destroyer placed in 132 Sea Zone 3 destroyers placed in 37 Sea Zone 1 artillery placed in Japan Turn Complete - Japanese Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 5 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 7 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,2,2 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 20 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,1 Japanese collect 45 PUs (5 lost to blockades); end with 45 PUs Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 50 PUs Objective Japanese 3 Control Honolulu Or Sydney Or Calcutta Or Western United States: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 55 PUs Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 37 Sea Zone: 3 destroyers EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Japan: 8 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from New South Wales: 2 tactical_bombers EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Queensland: 2 tactical_bombers EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 0.83 Japanese regular : -1.50

Savegame

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