Question about UK1 strategy after SZ110 not cleared on G1.

I have had no problems clearing the entire British fleet around England and in SZ 91, while losing nothing but subs in the process.

@ThomasJefferson:

I have had no problems clearing the entire British fleet around England and in SZ 91, while losing nothing but subs in the process.

Did you do this one time with lucky dice?

@ThomasJefferson:

I have had no problems clearing the entire British fleet around England and in SZ 91, while losing nothing but subs in the process.

Play more games then.

@Kobu:

@ThomasJefferson:

I have had no problems clearing the entire British fleet around England and in SZ 91, while losing nothing but subs in the process.

Play more games then.

you are patronizing me and I do not appreciate that. I have done it the 6 times I have played with alpha 2. Sometimes I had bad dice and I lose some planes, but the majority of the time I simply put 1 sub into 111, 110, 109 and enough firepower to finish off the boats in one round of combat, and the boats normally do not get 2 hits, it happens on occasion, but its a rarity. The Britis learned after the first time not to scramble fighters because they need them to prevent me from landing turn 2 with the 5 transports I mobilized turn 1 in SZ 112, and they generally lose fighters they cannot afford to lose if they scramble.

so you build 4 transports instead of 3 transports 1 destroyer?  Interesting.

That’s a bit gutsy,  how do you protect your fleet in Seazone 110?

What British planes do you strike at? And do you or do you not protect the Italian fleet?

@ThomasJefferson:

@Kobu:

@ThomasJefferson:

I have had no problems clearing the entire British fleet around England and in SZ 91, while losing nothing but subs in the process.

Play more games then.

you are patronizing me and I do not appreciate that. I have done it the 6 times I have played with alpha 2. Sometimes I had bad dice and I lose some planes, but the majority of the time I simply put 1 sub into 111, 110, 109 and enough firepower to finish off the boats in one round of combat, and the boats normally do not get 2 hits, it happens on occasion, but its a rarity. The Britis learned after the first time not to scramble fighters because they need them to prevent me from landing turn 2 with the 5 transports I mobilized turn 1 in SZ 112, and they generally lose fighters they cannot afford to lose if they scramble.

A bit of odds calculating would show your statement shouldn’t reflect reality, and it wasn’t even true.

@Sgt.:

Round 2:
Germany invades Morocco locking the UK fleet in the Med and putting it’s navy in sz91 (this assumes that they attacked the 2 cruisers in sz112 with their navy and reinforced with at least a carrier). Invades Greece and moves it’s airforce to Southern Italy.

The rest of your analysis may be true, but the bolded assumption is false.  Control of Morocco does not influence movement into or out of the Med.  Only Gibraltar has that value (similar to control of Denmark to the Danish Straits).  Unless Germany can take Gib (not Morocco), Britain remains able to move back out to SZ 91.

@Axisplaya:

@Sgt.:

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Round 2:
Germany invades Morocco locking the UK fleet in the Med and putting it’s navy in sz91 (this assumes that they attacked the 2 cruisers in sz112 with their navy and reinforced with at least a carrier). Invades Greece and moves it’s airforce to Southern Italy.

How exactly does Germany manage that ? A surface warship has been left SZ 104 on UK1…So there is no way Germany can go to Morocco on their combat move. Also, but i could be wrong on that one : i thought that only the control of Gibraltar was important for the control of the strait.

By the way, thanks for taking the time to think about this strat and post it here, sarge.

That’s right, I forgot about you saying you would move a ship to sz104. In that case there’s not anything that Germany can do to stop it really.

The only thing they can do is use their subs to take out the destroyers in sz106/109 and the cruiser in sz91 to limit the number of ships available for blocking. But even if all of those attacks somehow succeed that still allows the UK to use it’s cruiser in sz110 as a block. Even with this diminished UK fleet in sz92, Italy still has no chance of taking it out. The UK fleet is then free to retreat to sz89.

The only downside I can see to this is that Italy will have the med fairly uncontested for the foreseeable future. The UK fleet won’t be able to wipe out a consolidated Italian fleet with backup, especially if it is in sz97. It seems to me to be preferable to take out one or both of the Italian fleet in order to better dominate Africa, but if you were worried about Sealion and still had the ships in sz110 then it might be safer to consolidate. It also gives a nice jump start to operations in the Atlantic.

In terms of clearing the entire UK fleet around England it is possible if you don’t send any planes down to Southern Italy to scramble with the Italians. Although with the threat of a strong Sealion the UK would probably be more cautious in the Med and may not go for an attack. I think defending sz112 shouldn’t be a problem if you put in a sub into the previous attack there. Worst case scenario you end up with 1 damaged bb, 1 ca, 3 ftr vs 3ftr.

One question for Thomas Jefferson. Do you put planes into the attack on sz109 or just rely on subs? I would think that the UK would be very tempted to scramble it’s four fighters to help defend the transport. It seems to me it would be better to just put in two subs. Or use those two subs to take out the transport and destroyer in sz106 which prevents UK from reinforcing against Sealion.

@kcdzim:

The rest of your analysis may be true, but the bolded assumption is false.  Control of Morocco does not influence movement into or out of the Med.  Only Gibraltar has that value (similar to control of Denmark to the Danish Straits).  Unless Germany can take Gib (not Morocco), Britain remains able to move back out to SZ 91.

Really? I thought they had to hold control both. Well I suppose with two transports and a bomber in range Germany might be able to take Gibraltar but it seems unlikely.