German Minor Ic in Southern France

Paris can also be directly attacked from Northern Italy. Don’t need Southern France for that.

I like the idea of Germany taking souther France.  It seems that have fleet operations in the med would be useful for a cople of reasons:

1. With smaller amounts of troops in Africa (than in Europe) a “hopping over” or “can-opener” strategy may work well.  An example might be say Germany landing troops to take both Egypt and Trans-Jordan, then Italy can sail through the Suez on the same turn.

2. Italy or germany caputures a land territory in Africa with the other power landing fighters for reinforcements.

Might be interesting to see.

you can just load some german tanks on an italian transport

@Napoleon:

Does anyone think its a good idea to help italy in the med and land Herr general Rommel with his afrika korps?

I think it is……but Germany got to take southern france, less ipc for Italy and put a minor and some navy wich cost some valuable ipc’s but in fact there’s a NO for the german to be in Egypt so… i dont know, what you guys think?

And by the way if ya can talk about those two ideas

• Ic in Romania ?

• Upgrade the minor in Germany?

Come up with your own strategy. Don’t do that which is always done, or you’ll end up with what is always “got”.

Germany has the abality to take southern France on G1 and i think they should while Italy focuses on the Balkans. Italy is better off focusing its fleet in the eastern med until they have secured Egypt, safe from the bulk of the allied fleets. Germany can use southern France to protect Italys western flank by building a minor IC and producing subs a fighters and Tac’s.
With a larger economy, Germany is better suited to producing a token force to keep the allies in the western med in check. Once Italy has secured Egypt (ideally with a minor ic) it can then swing its fleet into the western med to support the Germans and keep the allies out for good! (in theroy anyway  :-D )

Better the germans then anyone else

@Tavenier:

Paris can also be directly attacked from Northern Italy. Don’t need Southern France for that.

Not with infantry, so it’ll cost you!

@Koningstiger:

@Tavenier:

Paris can also be directly attacked from Northern Italy. Don’t need Southern France for that.

Not with infantry, so it’ll cost you!

Paris and Northern Italy border eachother…. You can attack France I1 with at least the five Italian units they start with in NI.

@Tavenier:

Paris and Northern Italy border eachother…. You can attack France I1 with at least the five Italian units they start with in NI.

No they dont, Northern Italy borders southern France, Switzerland, southern Germany and Yugoslavia, they do not share a border with France proper, they can not attack Paris on I1 with more than 3 units (1 tank, 2 fighters) and unless Germany softens them up first they have very little chance of success. Even then, it would still be a gamble with the bulk if Italys offensive power.

@Clyde85:

@Tavenier:

Paris and Northern Italy border eachother…. You can attack France I1 with at least the five Italian units they start with in NI.

No they dont, Northern Italy borders southern France, Switzerland, southern Germany and Yugoslavia, they do not share a border with France proper, they can not attack Paris on I1 with more than 3 units (1 tank, 2 fighters) and unless Germany softens them up first they have very little chance of success. Even then, it would still be a gamble with the bulk if Italys offensive power.

I don’t have the map in front of me, but from memory this is also what I think. hence it’s not a good idea for Italy to attack France proper.

Yes, France (Paris) and Northern Italy do border eachother.

Go to the main axisandallies.org page, go to the first topic about Europe (Out of the box), scroll down to the western map and look between Switzerland and Southern France.

Ah! So it dose! I own a copy myself but somehow missed that. More importantly, it is still a bad idea for Italy to attack France with out the Germans softening them up first, and if Germany is going to have to soften them up, they may as well take it. Germany has more it needs to do and will need the extra IPC’s more than Italy. Italy should be focusing its forces in the eastern Med and the balkans where it can rapidly redeploy to the mid-east/north africa if need be

Yes, I do think it is illogical, but they are bordering territories.

Italy can’t take on Paris alone. Especially because the Brits move first. But if an attack from Germany fails (because they are greedy and want all RN sunk and are conquering Normandy) Italy can attempt it.

I suppose, but it’s still a risky gambit of Italy. I think Germany can pull off an invasion of France and destroy most of the RN on its opening turn, as long as the hit France with 8 inf, 1 or 2 Arty, 5 tanks and 3 Tacs, and do atleast 5(6 would be better) hits against the allies and take no more than 6 themselves in the first round of combat. Commiting the rest of their airforces to attacking the RN will increas their chances of success in those battles, and create a greater threat to London, and if the Germans are threating the capital, Britian is less likely to build forces outside of the UK itslef, helping Italy in africa in the long run

True. In all my games so far however, France was only attacked by land forces. All forces the Germans can send. Germany left Normandy for a later turn. Normandy adds little except for 2 IPC and a minor IC which doesn’t get used in G2 because the UK won’t have any trannies left.

I use all my aircraft to attack RN and by doing so only leave the Britons their fleet near Gibraltar.

I’ve seen the Germans take all 3 mainland French tt on turn one, however they failed to take out all of the royal navy, though in a risky gambit the German player did manage to sink the DD and get a hit on the AC off the coast of Gibtraltar. They killed off everything else except the BB abd DD in the english channel, which he paid for the next turn when this fleet sunk the German Cruiser and BB.

I think the best tactic for the Germans after the fall of France is to build 2 concentrations, one of fighters in France and one of Tanks in Poland/Rumania, and support these with Tac bombers

@Clyde85:

I’ve seen the Germans take all 3 mainland French tt on turn one, however they failed to take out all of the royal navy, though in a risky gambit the German player did manage to sink the DD and get a hit on the AC off the coast of Gibtraltar. They killed off everything else except the BB abd DD in the english channel, which he paid for the next turn when this fleet sunk the German Cruiser and BB.

I think the best tactic for the Germans after the fall of France is to build 2 concentrations, one of fighters in France and one of Tanks in Poland/Rumania, and support these with Tac bombers

Sounds good, but don’t forget you also need ample cannonfodder (infantry).

Yes indeed, I would think that initialy the infantry from southern Germand and Germany would provide the nesscary cannon fodder, combined with the troops already in eastern Europe.

My stratgey for Germany is to keep a large stack of Tac bombers centraly located in their tt, like in western Germany. Then keeping a stack or 2 of fighters in France, and stacks of tanks in the east so that you can strike at both Britian and the Soviet Union, using the stac of tacs (hehe stack of tacs  :-D ) as a fire brigade of sorts. This way you can rapidly respond to both fronts, keeping Britian in check and making advances in the Soviet Union at will.

My concern is having to defend another factory in S. France from the U.S.A.  ie from a Gibraltar attack.

I would prefer a minor factory in Yugo

I can see a fair case for both. My strat with Italy is to focus on the Balkans and keep my fleet in the eastern Med, away from the British in the Atlantic and close enough to redeploy to Egypt/mid-east should I need to. I would prefer the Germans to have southern France just so they have an easy jumping point and because, with the larger income, can more easily afford to build fleets there as nesscary.

@jeffdestroyer:

My concern is having to defend another factory in S. France from the U.S.A.  ie from a Gibraltar attack.

Remember, with the fighter stacks I mentioned and the Tac bomber firebrigade, you could easily counter attack and destroy any invasion in that area