Sea Lion global game

I saw that pocket square early on, but the problem with it is that you may still need every guy on London to make sure its safe, even 1 mech.  Sometimes I cant even attack Scotland, if they stacked it, because you cant take Scotland and still ensure they can’t destroy London…that’s where SL gets tricky.

To call Ireland Pro-Allied, that’s the historical inaccuracy…

@Baron:

@Young:

I like your idea of reducing the UK NOs to just Malta for UKE, and just Malaya for UKP, however… just like Japan needs to side step their own NOs to take away UKP’s NO (Malaya), Italy should do the same around Malta, or get help from Germany.

Sorry, I miswrote my intent. I really like your two NOs as they were.
I was just emphasized the main interesting target from historical POV.

Cheers.

Note that I play 2nd edition. I don’t know how this compares to alpha+3.

The first thing that I look out for with the UK, is what is Germany doing? IF a serious sea-lion is posed, I move every available ship from the UK med-fleet (and the french if they survive) to Gibraltar, as well as every ratty old plane the UK has in the med. This requires removal of the Italian TRS+DD in SZ96 in the 2nd edition.
With this move and smart builds in London, Sea Lion will fail miserably. Italy on the other hand will be stronger in Africa but you can’t have both London and Cairo. Rest assured that you will take back the latter, if Italy takes it at all. If Germany continues on the Sea Lion Path, all the Gibraltar stuff moves north to fight Germans, who will fail, Russia will roll over Germany and it is game over very quickly for the Axis. EVEN if Lucky dicerolls hands them over London they will not be able to stop the Russians anymore because they will loose too much in the battle of London… Unless they roll SO DAMN Lucky that they manage to keep all their Luftwaffe + take London with their last tank  :roll:
If Germany does NOT continue with Sea Lion (you can tell by their production), move the Gibraltar stuff + STR and FTR from London back into Africa, ending the Italian dreams there with moderate effort.

If Germany never poses/feighns a Sea-Lion threat, do a ‘Taranto’ or ‘Tobruk’ UK1. The specifics vary from the preferences from player to player but in general it comes down to attack as much Italian ships (or its units in Tobruk) with as much of your air/ships.
Personally I prefer to kill all Italian ships in SZ96 and SZ97 with all UK-ships that can get to them plus all aircraft that can get there. Note that the STR in London can get there and land in Malta as well as 2 FTR from London that can land on the CV if necessary. I personally take ships (even the CV) as losses, and land all surviving aircraft (which should very well be all) in Malta, but this may also differ according to your preferences.

If you fear/don’t know how to handle a ‘surprise Sea Lion’ from the Germans, seriously consider to consolidate around Gibraltar UK1, doing ‘Taranto’ (sort of) UK2. Taranto is most effective UK1 but loses not much of its effect if executed UK2.

Good luck and have fun playing!

@zanetheinsane:

@knp7765:

Now I had all those infantry, artillery and tanks stuck in Morocco with no way to get anywhere important.

That’s why I always land in Gibraltar. It’s rare that something horrible happens, but when it does… Spain is always an option. Get with the UK player who can hopefully take on Turkey. Not the prettiest course of action, but sometimes you have to make hard decisions, and getting an Allied foothold in Spain isn’t the worst you can do.

Hmmm…interesting choice. Early on in playing Global, we had 3 different games where the Axis attacked strict neutrals. In fact, we even adopted a house rule using Neutral Blocks so only certain strict neutrals would be affected – Europe, S America, Africa, Middle-East, Mongolia. So if say Sweeden was taken by Germany, Spain, Switzerland and Portugal would go Pro-Allied but Argentina would still be strict neutral. I know some people put Turkey in the Europe block, but we decided to put it in the Middle East block.
We have NEVER had the Allies attack a strict neutral. For one thing, they are usually too busy fighting the Axis to expend resources fighting a neutral. Plus they don’t want to give the Axis any free infantry and territories by turning the other stricts into Pro-Axis, even if it’s just in that block. Also, I guess we just kind of have the mindset that the Allies are the good guys and having them violate a country’s neutrality just doesn’t feel right.
In most of our games, we have played with the strict neutrals basically off limits, both by the Axis and the Allies. Perhaps we should re-think our strategies and start involving the neutrals more in our games.

@Field:

Interesting read on how you approached SeaLion.� What happened in the Med between the British and Italian fleets on B1?� Also, what is meant by “4 for the guarantee” on your SBR of London?

Thanks

Each bomber that gets through to SBR gets 1d6 +2.  So if a bomber gets through you are guaranteed 2 hits, if two get through, which they did for me - I got the guaranteed 4 before even rolling a die (which was a 6 and a 4)

B1:

Uk1 in the Med was hit SZ96 with everything and stack up there with 2 Ftr on the CV and landing the Tac on Malta.  They didn’t fly their Bomber in from London and instead went after the German BB in SZ111.  They also sent their CR from SZ91 to SZ111, clearing the way for I2 to claim the Med NO.  UK also gave up its TT to get units from Alexandria into Greece - even after I urged them to protect the TT to maintain a threat on Rome while also ferrying Inf from Persia into either Egypt on UK2 or into India.

I1 was a Ftr and I sent the kitchen sink after SZ96 with the exception of a SS that took out the TT off of Greece.

I had a bad roll overall and the UK was able to take out everything but the BB - which I ended up having to tip.  This created issues for me.  I tried to preserve the BB so that I could dump units with my 2 TT into N.Africa, but with that tipped BB and the UK Tac on Malta I had nothing to defend them with.

I kept the TT at home under the cover of 2 Ftr (one purchased, one German) and just moved 4 Inf into Albania for a NCM under the presumption I would reinforce Hungary for Germany while they removed the UK units in Greece.  Anywhere else I moved the two TT, the Tac would have been able to auto eliminate them - take note that even losing the UK ships, the UK could STILL create havoc with aircraft on Malta.

Note that on G2 Germany DID attack Greece, but again strafed and retreated, allowing Italy to take it on I2 with 4 Inf in Albania and blitzing 2 Tanks from Yugo.

France had a choice of going after two TT with 2 Ftr scrambling or removing the tipped BB.  They went after the BB and took it out, but they lost the CR.  They kept the DD because with the SS its 40-40-20 W-L-MAD for the DD versut 50-50 with the CR.

UK2 chose not to go after the TT with its Tac in Malta and I escaped unscathed - but it proved irrelevant because G3 was Sea Lion and they conceded.  I don’t know what the outcome would have been, but I’m sure as Italy I was going to gear up to harass the US as much as possible from getting into the Med while I secured it.

I2 ended up being a full invasion of Egypt - and I was able to clear the Med as well.  So Italy was able to add 10 IPC for two NO’s and was staged to get the third NO on I3 with the I2 victory in Algeria and no units left to stop its move into Morocco.

Southern Africa was a mess for Italy, but with the UK in full defensive it was a matter of time before I was able to advance units south and finish off the units there.

At the end of I2, Italy held S.France (3), Yugo (2), Greece(2), Tunisia(1), Algeria(1), Egypt(2), and Kenya (1).  It also had the clear med NO (5) and controlling 3 of S.France, Gibraltar, Greece and/or Egypt NO (5)

I think by my count thats +22 IPC for Italy from its starting 10 to end at 32 IPC on I2 with a projected N.Africa NO (5), Morocco (1), Trans-Jordan (1) and Syria (1) to end I3.  It looked like I was going to lose Kenya and Ethiopia on Uk3.  Net net I think that was Italy ending I3 with something in the range of 38 IPC to spend on I4.

Overall I wouldn’t have played the UK like that, but it is hard to validate sending everything into SZ97 with 3 Ftr scrambling over the top of it:

3 Ftr, 1 BB, 1 CR (defending) vs 2 Ftr 1 Tac, 1 Bomber, 1 CV, 1 CR, 1 DD (attacking)
60-30-10 odds battle and thats a tough battle to choose on your FIRST turn of the game

You could win spectacularly and shut down Italy for the game, or you could fail miserably and make it even harder for the US to march into the Med.  Especially considering Italy will most likely counter attack any survivors from SZ95 to include a Bomber.

Personally this is my UK move (assuming a German Ftr is in S.Italy):

Hit SZ96 with a DD, Ftr and TacB to take out the Italian DD and TT there.  Land the Aircraft on Egypt and withdraw the fleet behind the Suez.  I move the fleet around the Horn of Africa which takes multiple moves and meet up with the US landing fleets on the outside of the Med in SZ91 on UK4.

So UK1 has the fleet in SZ72.  UK2, SZ71.  UK3, SZ83.  UK4, SZ91 - can land UK aircraft at this point on the CV and you are now in place to help the US either move into the Med or support a landing in France.

Yes, it does give Italy the Med early, but with the UK playing full defensive until Sea Lion goes away, the UK now has a “free” offensive purchase sitting in SZ91 on UK4 - right in time to reinforce the first wave of US TT landing in Gib/Morocco.  Further, by utilizing those aircraft and turtling up on Egypt you can elect to defend Egypt or if you want, support an attack on Iraq on UK3.  If G3 goes by without a Sea Lion, you have the possibility of putting Sea Units in Canada that can also meet up with the fleet on UK4.

You will have 1 DD, 1 CR, 1 CV that the US can count on arriving before Italy or Germany can harass their units.  And if you included 2 Ftr throughout the UK purchases leading up to this, you will have an opportunity to land them on the CV (or US aircraft!).  Its a VERY nice late game swing in sea dominance.  Particularly if you want to stay away from German Aircraft that you don’t kill on UK1.

I’ve learned that its fast and furious early for the Allies, but that plays RIGHT into the Axis’ hands.  Its better to play for the late game moves, conceding the early economic advantages by protecting the “Free” starting assets you have.  By UK4, the economic advantage swings in the Allied favor by a good margin and its better to have more units on the board that you started with than trying to deny the early Axis explosion.

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Quebec IC is important if British hold UK but they cannot buy boats near to Englan d(because of Kriegsmarine). In that case UK must buy the canadian navy … if not, the other IC is at SAF, and I doubt that any boats built there can aid in Europe