How to counter J3 India Crush?

@jim010:

Actually, the US could put 2 x bombers, a ftr & a DB in Queensland on US1. They could Kamikazie into SZ42 at the top of the Allied second turn, followed by the British and then the ANZACers. That could do some damage.

I will have left sz42 by then.

As for the UK CV, I need to play against it, but with 5 less units in Ind, I don’t need my TTs that I brought down from Japan.  What I have down there already will be enough.  I’ll take DEI (or Sau if available) instead.

Nevermind, it just hit me that the SZ42 fight you’re talking about is on turn one, not turn two.

I’ll have to look at this some more. That SZ42 should only be a Japanese CV, BB & DD if I remember the set up right. British commit their planes…

I don’t think that would help the Allies.

Anyway, I’ll take this up with Tim in about three hours, in Dayton, speaking of which, I’ve gotta run. Time to get ready to hit the road!

I-70 West to Dayton!!!

If there is no counter, then in addition to US immediate 40, that start would have to be banned.

And if there is no counter to that move, then I have another issue with this game!!! :cry:

Jim (or anyone really), if you could, would you mind just generally laying out the turn 2 situation? Tim and I can take a look at it when I get out to Dayton. Also, any other important aspects of this strat, I’d really appreciate it.

Maybe Calvins opening post is enough, I don’t know. I’ll have to check when I get out to Dayton.

Depending on how things go, I will have the whole fleet in sz36 on turn 3 - plus buys in sz6.  I will have bought only 2 bases to conquer China and Ind.  The rest is already on the board.

I haven’t tried your tactic, but I like mine for its speed and certainty right up to J4.

@jim010:

I’ll wade in here, since it is my strategy Calvin is talking about.

The attack on the fleet at Jav has a 25% chance of success, with Japan surviving with anywhere from 1 to 4 units.

Doing this attack means I no longer really need much of an airforce to hit Ind, can can swing them to Phi 1 turn sooner.

Are you saying that you don’t attack the PI on J1?

@jim010:

And in those 1 in 4 games where it works, Japan still has has enough core fleet to stand in Phi on turn 4 against the US fleet that will have just taken Car - Plus I’ll still have $70 + to spend on my ‘instafleet’.

What turn do you attack the PI?

The main question we have (I’m sitting here in Dayton with Tim, and we just set the game up) In looking at the set up, the Caroline fleet normally sends its planes to the land battle in the PI. If the Caroline CV goes to Java, where do the planes come from to land on that CV?

PS- This is Kaufschtick (cough cough)

Without planes on the CV in SZ42, that makes a British attack more favorable. If the CV is loaded (read: not drunk), then how are yo taking the PI?

India Crush doesnt mean game is over. i got “crushed” and still won as the allies. Korea is the weak link for Nippon. some may disagree with that but in time you will see,young ones. 8-)

He would only have 4 ground units & one air unit available (Formosa) to attack Phil  if he wants to keep the carrier fully loaded in sz 42 off Java. He could of coarse use a tac from the Caro’s fleet to attack Phil, then replace it w/Formosa ftr for better def in sz42. None the less the odds go down on the Phil battle w/one plane, or down on the sz 42 battle if the carrier isn’t fully loaded. You can still take Phil J1, but it could cost a couple inf that your counting on for the J3 India crush.

Good point guys.

1 tav, 1tank, 1 art, 2 inf are more than enough to take Phi on the first turn.  The carrier in sz42 gets 2 fht

@calvinhobbesliker:

No, the carrier is stripped down and the planes are replaced by planes from Japan

Ftr/tacs from Japan can’t make it to sz42

@jim010:

1 tav, 1tank, 1 art, 2 inf are more than enough to take Phi on the first turn.  The carrier in sz42 gets 2 fht

Yea Jap should win the battle, but it could cost them a couple of precious ground units. What are the odds on this battle. Better yet what are the odds that it goes two rounds.

Yea Jap should win the battle, but it could cost them a couple of precious ground units. What are the odds on this battle. Better yet what are the odds that it goes two rounds.

You should win with the tank and tac.  I don’t need the 2 inf and art to take Ind

Ftr/tacs from Japan can’t make it to sz42

I take the fht from For and sz33.

I’ll lose a bmb instead.  sz42 must have both fht.

I don’t often get attacked there anyway, and when I do, it is usually bad for the UK, not me.  I take it to prevent the Allies from locking it down with planes, or doing a fht transfer.

Yea Jap should win the battle, but it could cost them a couple of precious ground units. What are the odds on this battle. Better yet what are the odds that it goes two rounds.

I win 83%, usually should be with the tac and tank.

@jim010:

I don’t need the 2 inf and art to take Ind

Indiana?

Sorry, I failed geography.

(Disclaimer: This is Kaufschtick, I’m in Dayton at Buckeyeboys place…don’t ask me how many beers I’ve had… :-P)

The abreviations used are from the battlemap used here to play online.

Phi is Philipines
Ind is India

@jim010:

Yea Jap should win the battle, but it could cost them a couple of precious ground units. What are the odds on this battle. Better yet what are the odds that it goes two rounds.

I win 83%, usually should be with the tac and tank.

Jim, Tim and I set up the game, played OOB. Can you give us some idea of a typical situation on J2 as far as what Japan has in SZs 37 & 38, ship wise?

We felt that there existed the possibility of a B1 (2) x DD buy, to then attack into one of these two SZs and possibly close the front door on the Japanese to India.

PS- This is Kaufschtick, sitting here with Buckeyeboy, we’d offer you a beer, but it’d be warm by the time you got here.

So we already drank it. :-D

@jim010:

The abreviations used are from the battlemap used here to play online.

Phi is Philipines
Ind is India

Sorry, we’re in the Big Ten.

Without seeing where the Allies are, I really can’t say.

@jim010:

Without seeing where the Allies are, I really can’t say.

We had the US at start at Pearl, of course. 2 x US bmbr, ftr & Db at Queensland.

China counter-attacked Yunnan (and won, 3 inf survived)

Britian bought 2 x DD

ANZAC Queensland ftr to Singapore, the rest of the ANZACer ftrs to Queensland.