Original vs. Revised

Thank you.

why no soviet aircrafts?

Agent Smith, you factor in the possibility of a lost Japanese bomber as if it was a battle of attrrition between Japan and Russia.  It is not, hence your error.  It does not matter if the bomber gets shot down.  All that maters is impacting Russias income so that they can afford less infantry on the German front.  See, you say “blah, blah, blah, it only does 3 IPC per turn.”  But that is blatantly wrong.  It does 3.5 per turn.  You are factoring the potential loss of the bomber as if thuis makes the potential bombing run do less damage than it actually does.  It is not attrition between Japan and Russia.  Finally, there is no way it flies over multiple AA guns.

Finally, you asume that all the allies air power can be flown to U.K.  B.S. I’d like to see a Japan player just trounce you.  Thrown everything at Germany and its like rolling the dice that Japan doesn’t win the game outright.  Here’s a factoid you might not know.  If everyone throws everything at Germany and takes it and Japan throws everything at Russia and takes it, Japan will win.  Most Japaness players surrender when Germany is taken.  That is the wrong thing to do.  It Japan control Russia they will win.

The one you will find in stores now, made by Avalon Hill is the revised map, with some rule changes.  Arguably, a more difficult game due to additional pieces, more territories, and greater options for strategies, etc.

The older version (the Milton Bradley one) is the classic, and has a nice sized game board.  If you have never played before, the older version is easier to learn on.

Personally, I am just hoping for a PC version of Revised and the D-Day/Pacific variants with some really good AI in the near future :-)

Yes, I would also agree that a rd 3 lurch is too early for Germany.

In this game, EEU was stacked so well that it was unfeasible for Russia to attack it ever. This was also a good strat becuase the tanks just sat there for defense until they were needed in Karelia or WEU, and more and more inf just kept piling up there.

The 4 German inf bid in Libya also made things difficult for the allies. UK could have used its bomber against German ships but it was too preoccupied with liberating Africa.

i like europe simply bc im a german guy and pacific doesnt have em^_^ but its to short playtime being over w/in like 4-5 turns. takes longer to set up the dern board

god looks like either my “c” key is broken or im too stupid to hit all keys. and c even sounds quite logical… :-?

thanks for the information. the chat sucks anyway coz of the linefeed after x characters. 3 lines of chat are also not too good…

Yeah, the personnel carrier tech means each tank can carry one INF, so you can carry as many INF as tanks you have.

Yeah, I definitely like the time sensitive research idea. That way you take a calculated temporary disadvantage to get an advantage that(hopefully) pays off. The whole game is a race and about timing, and techs should support that. I was trying to work it in to my tech system, but couldn’t come up with a simple way.

I think having 3 or 4 levels for every unit (24 or 32 technologies) is too many techs to keep track of. How often is someone going to pay $18(6 INF) over 2 or 3 turns, for a better AC? Or invest in subs?(apparently they DONT fly or launch nuclear warheads in the original game…who knew?)Those options aren’t that useful, and would only convolute the tech system. I bet we could come up with 6-12 techs that affect useful units or production, and then sort out a fair, time sensitive research method. (this way last ditch teching is really hard to do, and you wont get stuck against a super japan that will go down eventually, but not until 2 days later)I like your idea of paying an installement each turn. However, I don’t think a player should get to pick ONE tech to research for. There should be a little uncertainty, but it should be categorized. That way if you really want Heavies and have a lot of bombers, Long Range is still a useful consolation prize, but there is no chance of getting super subs. I’m still confused about creating a good way to simulate time-sensitive research and give a little chance variation to the final tech received. Here are the techs that I think we should keep from my original post, plus a few additions-have any others, or replacements?

-Revised Industrial Tech
-Future Research is somehow discounted
-Super Tanks(maybe move at 3 as well?)
-Personnel Carriers
-Long Range Air
-Air Transports
-2D Heavy BMB
-Coastal Defense
*new techs
*Heavy TRN (3INF, 2INF 1 ARM)
*Radar Guided AA Guns-Each AA gun can fire at planes attacking any adjacent territories or sea zones. (Ex: BMB attacks Germany- 3 AA shots at BMB)
*something to do with navies. (i also think naval warfare should be changed in A&A, but that’s a diff topic)
*Maybe some kind of INF tech?