Hidden subs

Mark, its a house rule, its not supposed to play out exactly the same way in your basement as in mine. In my basement it would be as free as possible, while in the residence of Baron Munchausen it looks like its gonna be some restrictions and limits. In most games you only see 2 or 3 players, so I doubt it will be a lot of arguing about the sharing. If you play in a club and 8 people sit around the table, I bet they stick to the OOB rules.

Anyway, if Germany get all IPC in one game, then I figure Italy or Japan get pretty weak. But the beauty of the hidden nature of this rule, is the Allies don’t know for sure where the money goes. Both the Allies and the Axis have to guess what the other guy do with his starting cash

Very cool idea. I like it a lot.

:-D

escort = different kind of destroyer.
In our rule we have…
Escort =
move 2
att 1
def 2
cost 8

destoyer =
move = 2
att = 2
def 2
cost 10

Only escort and destroyer can attack sub.

My son and I are setting up an AA50 game to play tonight. I’m allies he’s axis. We went over some house rules for the match. The oob rule for subs is a fleet can ignore just subs and pass over to the next sz, or if you have a dd you can engage them as an option but that would stop your movement. He wants to also give an engage battle option to the subs below. Subs would roll an attack dice @ 2 (3w/ss) or def dice @1(we have also talked about subs def @2) not sure which at this point. He says that it would not stop movement because subs would only get 1 shot each then you could continue on. I of coarse said that if your taking pot shots at me I’m firing at you. His reasoning is subs would make such an attack, they wouldn’t just sit idle. I can see his point, but pointed out that each sz is 100’s of miles and they could pass and never know it. He says yea but not every time. Again we don’t want these subs to be able to block movement, but a 1 rd battle might be ok with the surface fleet getting its licks in. A destroyer in the fleet would also negate a surprise first strike. Who knows it might back fire on him and rid me of those pesky German subs.
**I’m not sure if this is allowed to happen who would get attack dice and who should get def dice.
**I was thinking maybe the subs would get a dice roll to determine if they can engage?
Any quick feed back would be great. Thanks WB

What taste better, an apple or an orange?
Depends on the person.

Like Cmdr Jennifer said:
@Cmdr:

The destroyer in my mind is the submarine of old with the ability to defend itself against air attack in place of the sneak shot ability.

In my mind, the submarine is the new piece on the board.  Here’s a cheap unit you can toss out for naval attacks and it helps keep your opponent honest.

The sub is a new type of unit, which acts differently than in any other A&A games.

Sure, there are some things we miss about it - but now subs can move about without getting hit by aircraft!

This is awesome!  :-D

A side note: sub stalling is not a problem any more. (A&A Pacific)

Think of subs as a different unit, with new strategies to come up with.

Think of subs as an attackers unit.    :-)

One example, after the US fleet has moved away from sz56 (West coast), subs can be mobilized in sz56 and catch up with the main fleet with out needing AC/ftr protection from Japan’s aircraft.

@Gallo:

I’ve read a lot about how annoying is that just one destroyer can cancel the special capacities of any giving number of subs.
I don’t find that very problematic myself

its not hugely problematic
just looks funny to have one destroyer tagging along a huge fleet

but some players suggest that you should match one destroyer with one sub for canceling subs capacities.

but what about this: one destroyers cancels the capacities of a wolf-pack of three subs… the fourth sub (and the next ones) still have their special abilities.

yeah the one-for-one rule is nicely intuitive
(because of original ruleset’s one-for-one bonus for infantry+artillery)

maybe you could make it simple and just make the wolf-pack cancelling 1-to-1 too?

Thanks axis_roll!

Trusty

@Bierwagen:

Hey Axis_Roll – where can I find more discussion on the AARE ruleset?

The rules are a sticky here in A&A.org in this house rules section.
Much more discussion of Enhanced rules and game in progress are at the Gleemax/WOTC site: http://forums.gleemax.com/forumdisplay.php?f=747

Unfortunately, the powers that be at WOTC have choosen to end Gleemax sometime in September.  This comes less than one year after they shut down new posts from the OLD AH boards.  http://boards.avalonhill.com/forumdisplay.php?f=29

There’s lots of good discussions back on the AH boards.