Allies (+16) vs. Axis (darkskies) Coop

[ItIsILeClerc]

Amen to that!

On the other hand, pushing Russia back into Moscow is not that hard with any strategy.
I am still worried about the huge number of planes Germany now requires in the east (or at least needs to keep in range of Moscow area) to keep its advance alive.

I reckon the DS is stronger than I thought, but not overpowered in comparison with the other axis strategies I know as ‘strong’.

[Arthur Bomber Harris]

The major difference with a typical strategy is that you can force the Allies to spend massive amounts to build up a sufficient navy to advance to Europe.  I will need 3-4 full turns of spending in the Atlantic just to build up sufficient defense to support transports.  That is 2-3 extra turns compared to typical strategies.  You won’t have to worry about a significant invasion force until US8… that is quite late.

[ItIsILeClerc]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 4

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 2 carriers, 2 destroyers, 3 mech_infantrys and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Japanese
            2 fighters moved from Manchuria to Chahar
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State
            1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Siam to Shan State
            2 infantry moved from French Indo China to Shan State
            2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Hunan to Yunnan
            1 infantry moved from Szechwan to Sikang
                  Japanese take Sikang from Chinese
            1 mech_infantry moved from Kiangsu to Chahar
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Kweichow to Yunnan
            2 bombers and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kweichow to Shensi
            1 mech_infantry moved from Kweichow to Shensi
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Kiangsu to Hopei
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Kweichow to Hopei

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in Hopei
                Japanese attack with 1 armour and 3 mech_infantrys
                Chinese defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Hopei from Chinese with 1 armour and 3 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
            Battle in Chahar
                Japanese attack with 2 fighters and 1 mech_infantry
                Chinese defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese win with 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
            Battle in Shensi
                Japanese attack with 2 bombers, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Chinese defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Shensi from Chinese with 2 bombers, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
            Battle in Yunnan
                Japanese attack with 3 artilleries and 3 infantry
                British defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 3 artilleries and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Battle in Shan State
                Japanese attack with 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 4 infantry
                British defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Shan State from UK_Pacific with 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 4 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            1 mech_infantry moved from Kweichow to Yunnan
            2 fighters moved from Chahar to Manchuria
            4 transports moved from 37 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 37 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 35 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Shensi to Kiangsi
            2 bombers moved from Shensi to Kiangsu
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 33 Sea Zone to Paulau Island
            1 destroyer moved from 33 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 33 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            2 tactical_bombers moved from 33 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Caroline Islands to 34 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 33 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 33 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 33 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Caroline Islands to 6 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 33 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            3 submarines moved from 33 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
            3 submarines moved from 34 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone

Place Units - Japanese
            3 mech_infantrys placed in Kiangsu
            2 carriers, 2 destroyers and 1 submarine placed in 6 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 60 PUs; end with 61 PUs total
            Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 66 PUs

[ItIsILeClerc]

I never really worry about allied landings before turn 8 lately.
You know that if it’s like that, Japan will just win. I’m not saying the USA cannot do anything at all in Europe, but significant invasions, are just beyond their economic power. IMHO.

[Arthur Bomber Harris]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 4

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 2 submarines, 2 tactical_bombers and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 26 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Hawaiian Islands to 16 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from New Zealand to 63 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from New Zealand to 63 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 63 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
            1 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java

Combat - Americans
            Battle in Java
            Battle in 16 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 bomber and 1 submarine
                Japanese defend with 1 destroyer
                Americans win, taking Java from Japanese with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer
                Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine

Non Combat Move - Americans
            1 bomber moved from 16 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            1 armour moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 battleships, 5 carriers, 3 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 9 fighters, 5 infantry, 1 mech_infantry, 1 submarine, 1 tactical_bomber and 4 transports moved from 26 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from 54 Sea Zone to Queensland
            1 infantry moved from 54 Sea Zone to Queensland
            1 infantry moved from 54 Sea Zone to Queensland
            1 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 54 Sea Zone to Queensland
            1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 1 fighter and 5 submarines moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands

Place Units - Americans
            1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 2 submarines and 2 transports placed in 101 Sea Zone
            2 tactical_bombers placed in 101 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 56 PUs; end with 56 PUs total
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 61 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 66 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 76 PUs

[Arthur Bomber Harris]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 4

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese
            1 fighter moved from Kansu to Shensi
            1 artillery moved from Kansu to Shensi

Combat - Chinese
            Battle in Shensi
                Chinese attack with 1 artillery and 1 fighter
                Japanese defend with 1 mech_infantry
                Chinese win, taking Shensi from Japanese with 1 artillery and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 mech_infantry

Non Combat Move - Chinese
            1 fighter moved from Shensi to Kansu
            1 infantry moved from Kansu to Suiyuyan

Place Units - Chinese
            2 infantry placed in Kansu

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 5 PUs; end with 7 PUs total

[Arthur Bomber Harris]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 4

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 1 armour, 1 carrier, 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific buy 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            1 destroyer moved from 83 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Tobruk to Libya
                  British take Libya from Italians
            1 armour moved from Libya to Tobruk

Combat - British
            Battle in 91 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 destroyer
                Germans defend with 1 submarine
                British win with 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine

Non Combat Move - British
            1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 transport moved from 83 Sea Zone to 87 Sea Zone
            1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Egypt to Iraq
            2 infantry moved from Eastern Persia to Turkmenistan
            3 aaGuns, 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 15 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber moved from India to Burma
            1 artillery moved from Italian Somaliland to Ethiopia
            1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Belgian Congo to Egypt
            1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Union of South Africa to Belgian Congo

Place Units - British
            1 carrier placed in 106 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Union of South Africa
            1 infantry placed in United Kingdom

Turn Complete - British
            British collect 32 PUs; end with 32 PUs total
            Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 37 PUs

Place Units - UK_Pacific
            1 infantry placed in India

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 39 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,5
            UK_Pacific collect 6 PUs; end with 8 PUs total
            Some Units in India change ownership: 1 infantry

[ItIsILeClerc]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 4

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry, 1 submarine and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            1 mech_infantry moved from Romania to Baltic States
                  Italians take Baltic States from Russians
            1 armour moved from Western Ukraine to Bryansk
                  Italians take Bryansk from Russians
            1 armour moved from Bryansk to Ukraine

Combat - Italians

Non Combat Move - Italians
            1 armour moved from Eastern Poland to Ukraine
            2 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine
            2 aaGuns and 2 infantry moved from Romania to Bessarabia
            1 mech_infantry moved from Romania to Ukraine
            2 fighters moved from Romania to Southern Italy
            1 mech_infantry moved from Northern Italy to Romania
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy
            1 aaGun moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy
            1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy

Place Units - Italians
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Northern Italy
            1 submarine and 1 transport placed in 97 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Italians
            Italians collect 16 PUs; end with 16 PUs total
            Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 21 PUs

[Arthur Bomber Harris]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 4

Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - ANZAC

Non Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 63 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from New Zealand to 63 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 63 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 62 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 62 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland
            1 infantry moved from India to Burma
            2 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan

Place Units - ANZAC
            1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 transport placed in 62 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - ANZAC
            ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 11 PUs total
            Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 16 PUs

[Arthur Bomber Harris]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 4

Combat Move - French

Non Combat Move - French
            1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Egypt
            3 infantry moved from Tunisia to Libya
            1 destroyer moved from 83 Sea Zone to 87 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - French

[Arthur Bomber Harris]

Round 5 should be an interesting round!

[ItIsILeClerc]

I would say so!
Right now I can still feel the difficulties I and others have pointed out for Germany already:

• If they start Raiding Russia there will be much less threat against the allied fleet and attacking them (at least at Gibraltar) becomes ‘not an option’. Problematic, although the beaches should be safe.
• If they don’t raid Russia but instead attack the approaching Wallied fleet, Germany will loose so many bombers (~50%) that Russia can break out and start marching west, pushing the Germans back.

Japan is definately weakened by the American early focus. That basically makes taking out India early a paper tiger only. If I’d done that for example, I would have lost Carolines->Philippines->DEI already. Not a good trade I think. Anyway, I daresay Japan is not finished yet, but has a challenging task!

So correct me if I’m wrong but I’d say raiding Russia is a must, that is one. Two, Germany must look for creative options against the Wallies. Three, Japan must fight permanent containment ;-).

The allies are far from being out of the game so far. Our game proves to me once more that an allied bid should not exeed 11, maybe 13IPCs. An allied bid should never allow them to kill both the Italian fleet AND Tobruk. At least there should be a huge risk involved.
And how important a little luck in the opening battles is. Don’t get me wrong; you play it well and I am not complaining (heck, Germany is blessed to have all its luftwaffe still alive!), but it’s just a fact that if Germany can keep its BB (like I failed to take out in our first game) and only 1 more sub (happens quite often as well), this is a set back for the alies in many ways (SZ125 being one of them).

[ItIsILeClerc]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 5

Research Technology - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 2 bombers and 8 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            6 bombers moved from Western Ukraine to Russia
            1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Belarus
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Ukraine to Belarus
            1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Belarus
            1 mech_infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Smolensk
                  Germans take Smolensk from Russians
            1 mech_infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Tambov
                  Germans take Tambov from Russians
            9 armour moved from Western Ukraine to Rostov
                  Germans take Rostov from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Archangel
                  Germans take Archangel from Russians
            2 bombers moved from Southern France to 91 Sea Zone

Combat - Germans
            Air Battle in Russia
                Germans attacks with 6 units heading to Russia
                Air Battle is over, the remaining bombers go on to their targets
            Strategic bombing raid in Russia
                1 bomber killed by AA
                Bombing raid in Russia rolls: 7,6,3,8 and causes: 20 damage to unit: factory_major
                Bombing raid in Russia rolls: 3 and causes: 3 damage to unit: airfield
                Bombing raid in Russia causes 23 damage total.  Damaged units is as follows: factory_major = 20, airfield = 3
            Battle in Belarus
                Germans attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans win, taking Belarus from Russians with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Battle in 91 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 2 bombers
                British defend with 1 destroyer
                Germans win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4
                Casualties for Germans: 1 bomber
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
            Cleaning up after air battles

Non Combat Move - Germans
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            5 bombers moved from Russia to Novgorod
            1 aaGun moved from Novgorod to Archangel
            1 fighter moved from Belarus to Novgorod
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Belarus to Novgorod
            3 aaGuns, 8 artilleries and 24 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Ukraine
            1 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Bryansk
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Ukraine to Novgorod
            2 infantry moved from Novgorod to Karelia
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Ukraine to Ukraine
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Ukraine to Novgorod
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Ukraine to Ukraine
            1 bomber moved from Southern France to Western Germany
            1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Novgorod
            1 bomber moved from 91 Sea Zone to Southern France
            5 bombers moved from Western Germany to Southern Italy
            EDIT: 1 mech_infantry moved from Ukraine to Eastern Poland

Place Units - Germans
            3 mech_infantrys placed in Novgorod
            3 mech_infantrys placed in Ukraine
            2 bombers and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Western Germany

Turn Complete - Germans
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 125 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,4
            Germans collect 54 PUs; end with 55 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 60 PUs
            Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 65 PUs

[ItIsILeClerc]

Italian edit. I think that Mech is better positioned in EP than Ukraine… Not a major mistake but still.

[Arthur Bomber Harris]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians repair damage of 16x factory_major; Remaining resources: 23 PUs;
            Russians buy 5 artilleries and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians
            1 infantry moved from Russia to Smolensk
            1 infantry moved from Russia to Tambov
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Smolensk
            1 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
            1 fighter moved from Russia to Tambov
            1 fighter moved from Russia to Bryansk

Combat - Russians
            Battle in Tambov
                Russians attack with 1 fighter and 1 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 mech_infantry
                Russians win, taking Tambov from Germans with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry
            Battle in Bryansk
                Russians attack with 1 fighter and 1 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 infantry
                retreated to Bryansk
                Italians win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Smolensk
                Russians attack with 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Germans defend with 1 mech_infantry
                retreated to Smolensk
                Germans win with 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Russians
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Smolensk to Russia
            1 fighter moved from Bryansk to Russia
            1 fighter moved from Tambov to Russia

Place Units - Russians
            5 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Russia

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 24 PUs; end with 24 PUs total
            Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 27 PUs

[Arthur Bomber Harris]

I forgot to sink your German transport with the Russian sub.  Mind making that move for me?

[ItIsILeClerc]

No problem at all. I’ll edit them.

[ItIsILeClerc]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 5

Research Technology - Japanese
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from 127 Sea Zone: 1 transport
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from 125 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to 127 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 1 bomber, 1 factory_minor, 3 fighters and 3 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Sikang to Tsinghai
                  Japanese take Tsinghai from Chinese
            1 mech_infantry moved from Yunnan to Shensi
            1 mech_infantry moved from Hopei to Shensi
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Hopei to Suiyuyan
            1 bomber moved from Kiangsu to Shensi
            1 bomber moved from Kiangsu to Suiyuyan
            1 mech_infantry moved from Kiangsu to Chahar
                  Japanese take Chahar from Chinese
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 34 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in 42 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 tactical_bomber
                Americans defend with 1 transport
                Japanese win with 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Americans: 1 transport
            Battle in Shensi
                Japanese attack with 1 bomber and 2 mech_infantrys
                Chinese defend with 1 artillery
                Japanese win, taking Shensi from Chinese with 1 bomber and 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 artillery
            Battle in Suiyuyan
                Japanese attack with 1 bomber and 2 mech_infantrys
                Chinese defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Suiyuyan from Chinese with 1 bomber and 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            1 battleship, 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 34 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 battleship, 4 carriers, 2 destroyers, 4 fighters, 1 submarine and 4 tactical_bombers moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Shensi to Kwangsi
            1 bomber moved from Suiyuyan to Kiangsi
            4 transports moved from 20 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Kiangsu to Kwangsi
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Kiangsi to Kwangsi
            3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Yunnan to French Indo China
            1 armour, 2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Shan State to French Indo China
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 42 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Paulau Island to Kwangsi
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Paulau Island to Kwangsi

Place Units - Japanese
            3 mech_infantrys placed in Kiangsu
            1 bomber and 3 fighters placed in Japan
            1 factory_minor placed in Kwangtung

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 59 PUs; end with 59 PUs total

[ItIsILeClerc]

So how you think this will end?
I think it will end as predicted: Japan cannot withstand the JF for much longer (as usual) and then it is Germany versus the world. You think DS is strong enough to face those odds? I doubt it. They’ve got the economy against them.

I suggest we play a little longer to see if Germany can make up for the loosing game in the Pacific. But I will be surprised if they can. If it becomes clear they can’t (which I expect), I’d consider the DS myth busted. Another victory for JF over GF, hurray! Same old story as ever: JF is so much easier for the allies compared to GF. Very annoying.

Maybe if Japan is not doing J1. I consider J1 not very good against a USA going to JF. But then again, what JDOW would be…

[Arthur Bomber Harris]

I personally consider J1 to be slightly superior to J2 even for KJF.  Sure, America gets a one round bonus, but they also lose a fighter plane in Philippines that they normally would have been able to keep.  The British (Pacific) lose a battleship that normally could escape and would be off the coast of Gibraltar on UK4.  I would put it as a ~8 PU bonus to Japan of doing J1 compare to J2 even for KJF by the Allies.  It is not necessary a game-changing decision but I’ve never regretted doing it.

You had made some significant mistakes on J1-J3 which is why Japan doesn’t own India right now.  If played correctly, there is nothing that the Allies can do to prevent a J4 amphibious invasion of India.  That gives a big boost to the Japanese economy and makes the Allies spend even more money in the Pacific to further contain or kill Japan.  Almost all of the games that I have played, the Allies chose to do KJF, yet I have only lost once (I forgot that Rome was the capitol of Italy and Germany was the capitol of Germany).

I think that I would have a chance of an Axis victory if we switched sides right now.  Don’t consider DS myth-busted yet!  If you want to, I could redo J4 and swap control of the powers.  I would much prefer this route than continuing playing if you don’t see a good chance for you to win as the Axis.  Let me know your preference.

I will be gone Friday-Sunday so my humble apologies for the long hiatus.