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Attacking Korea only serves to infuriate the Japanese/axis power.
No promises will be kept over there on the other hand.
The best you can do is prepare for the worst……and the best way Russia can do that is by defending.@calvinhobbesliker
or by holding it you have collected 9IPCs*7turns=63 IPCs from the east if you can hold it all, you need only expend 3 IPCs a turn minimum to have a decent chance of at least holding at the Buryatia line…tying up a lot of Japanese units that if you pulled back wholesale would be touching Moscow on J-8, a little later but the same ending as revised. Japs and Germans on both sides of a Moscow filled with US and UK airpower.
Not 9 ipcs. Japan will take and hold Soviet far East, Amur on the first turn and will continue, builing a IC in Manchuria to help. They have 3 turns where their only enemies are China and Russia
i try to retreat enough to keep Japanese airforce occupied closeby, but far enough to get anihilated by them, meanwhile sending an tactical bomber + fighter. Faster than a tank (in this case crucial) and also gives the TB a 4 attack, also faster to return to Europe when things are getting hot there… might decide to buy a bomber, since they have even better reach.
Not that i can win from japanese troops if they are decided to push on, but it will scare them off abit, and keep part of their huge airfoce tied up.
Also works in combination with sending for example a tank+mech into China. Tunguska or Novosibirsk aren’t bad places to park those aircrafts.
Also if Japan doesn’t commit, their ground units will get stuck around Yenisey (as well as those russian units, in a stalemate situation).
If Germany attacks Russia in G1 i probably won’t do this, though.
it is vitaly important that other powers also play ball in the pacific for this to work.
Russia is a target of oppurtunity……Japan attacks it because it has nothing else to do.
Consider the UK Pacific Fleetmonster strategy as the peanut butter to the holding the Soviet Far East jelly
I like to attack Korea because its 3 less bucks for Japan and it buys the other Russian territories time because the Japanese player has to use up his precious land units to attack, Im assuming I have two infantry left in Korea, and an IC in Manchuria would divert forces from southern china (burma road) and India which is what I am really trying to accomplish with those 18 infantry.
Also usually Japan will not have many land units available to defend Amur when he attacks J1 so it should be fairly easy to counter attack Amur R2 and stall the Japanese even more!
It does not take three bucks from japan….since they take it right back
And Russia does not get three more bucks because Korea is Convoy Raided on Russias collect income phase
It does not take three bucks from japan….since they take it right back
And Russia does not get three more bucks because Korea is Convoy Raided on Russias collect income phase
The strategic value alone is worth 3 infantry IMO
@Weezer:
I like to attack Korea because its 3 less bucks for Japan and it buys the other Russian territories time because the Japanese player has to use up his precious land units to attack, Im assuming I have two infantry left in Korea, and an IC in Manchuria would divert forces from southern china (burma road) and India which is what I am really trying to accomplish with those 18 infantry.
Also usually Japan will not have many land units available to defend Amur when he attacks J1 so it should be fairly easy to counter attack Amur R2 and stall the Japanese even more!
@Weezer: Attacking Korea with Russia works well OOB but not so well in the Alpha setup when Korea has two more infantry and Manchuria has two more infantry also. I still think it’s an overall waste of an three infantry. Sending more wouldn’t help either because two or even 18 infantry would just get slaughter. Korea’s a horrible dead zone for Russia except to just irritate Japan (and if that’s the allies plan then that might useful).
@Oztea: I think your suggestions have merit as I’ve strongly considered sending the airplanes but I think Germany has to have tried SeaLion to be able to give up some of the offensive power. There is some merit of sending the airpower R1 and trying to get it back to Russia by R4-R5, but there is simply just too much distance. Also I think tactical retreats and avoiding deadzones will allow Russia to survive in the east for a significant period of time.
What I have found is if Germany does not do Sea Lion, you have to move them back to Moscow. If Germany is attacking at full power vs. the U.S.S.R. (with Support from Italy) the U.S.S.R. is doomed. You should move them R1 directly to Moscow and keep them trucking. Hell if Japan sends a couple of ground forces your way that might be what tips the balance in Asia for the rest of the Allies.
SEND them to Moscow. You’ll need them there.
Dooming moscow is not a gamebreaker in this edition
It opens the possibility of getting france back in the game, if the Allies can push past normandy
At 17 if it controls all but FIC, it is a power that is near Russia’s IPC stockpile when it fell.
I like to try and save as many of the 18 as possible while pulling back to Europe as necessary. I try to keep their destination flexible…if Germany is kicking a** they will head to Moscow, otherwise they can stay in Buryatia/Yakut if Japan is not threatening the stack. The stack can also safely reach Kansu in western China by R5.
Generally, I agree with the OP’s initial strategy. Most important thing is to realize that any units moved to Sakha on R1 will die on J2 if the Japanese player is paying attention.
As far as dealing with Japanese in Siberia…my strategy is the same as in Anniversary: slowly build mobile forces (tanks, planes) with Russia in the early turns for use in counterattacking Germany. Preserve these units at (almost) all costs. When the Allies arrive in Europe, their first objective is to blunt Barbarossa, allowing the Russians to go nearly all-out against the Japanese with their mobile forces + eastern infantry.
Dooming moscow is not a gamebreaker in this edition
It opens the possibility of getting france back in the game, if the Allies can push past normandyAt 17 if it controls all but FIC, it is a power that is near Russia’s IPC stockpile when it fell.
Basically losing Moscow is dooming the allies in this edition. If Moscow falls, Germany (or maybe Italy) gets all of the Russian income and there are no allies which can take back the Russian Capital. For the Axis to win they must take Moscow unless they are planing to invade U.S.A. for victory cities.
Once the Axis have consolidated and linked up it’s good night for the Allies. It’s been that way in every edition. It is that way now. Germany just has to neuter the U.K. fleet in the Atlantic. I think that a sub in the Balitic wil also help them fight the U.K. economically.
The lesson here is to not lose Moscow because if you do, Germany’s Attention is now 100% on U.K.! Game over.
Ozeta, is this what your “redeploy the railroad plan” looks like:
R1:Move 1 inf from Buryatia-Yakut, while stacking 17 inf in Buryatia. Move 1 or 2 inf Moscow-Samara
R2: infs Samara-Novosibirsk
infs Moscow-Samara
inf Yakut-Yenisey
inf Bury-Yakut
R3:
infs Moscow-Samara
infs Samara-Novosib
infs Novosib-Tim
Then, it looks like this:
Of course, i assume forces in Bury counter any small Jap force in the North with a few inf? Should Russia send mechs, tanks, or planes to the East?
After R3, R4 and R5 will add 2 inf to Buryatia and each subsequent turn will add 2 inf.
I have to ask, why move 2 inf west from Bury if they’re just going to return?
Dooming moscow is not a gamebreaker in this edition
It opens the possibility of getting france back in the game, if the Allies can push past normandyAt 17 if it controls all but FIC, it is a power that is near Russia’s IPC stockpile when it fell.
This is interesting, trade Russia for France (at some point). The axis strengthen would be way out of range unless most of it was lost in the battle for Moscow (make them pay). The US swoops in to destroy Italy and you now have 3 allies all in western Europe (knocking at Germany’s front door), instead of two coming from the west, and Russia in the east. If Italy does fall the 3 allied powers will have back to back turns (ooch).
