Re: Field Marshal Games Pieces Project Discussion thread

[Emperor_Taiki]

Forever people have wanted these tech pieces. Here are my suggestions for what their molds should be.

Rockets: German V-2
Super Submarine: Japanese I-400(the super sub is a very general idea, I-400 was an submarine aircraft carrier so in this case the three bombers onboard account for the increased attack ability)
Long Range Fighter: US P-38
Jet Fighter: UK Gloster Meteor
Long Range Jet Fighter: German Me-262 ( yes i know it isnt a long range aircraft, but it was the longest range WW2 jet fighter to my knowledge)
Long Range Bomber: UK Vickers Wellington
Heavy Bomber: UK Halifax
Long Range Heavy Bomber: US B-29

I would also like to see a rocket artillery tech, and so that the soviets can have a tech unit

Rocket/Advanced Artillery: Soviet BM-13 Katayusha

There should also be some neutral/facility tech pieces
Radar Station
Advanced IC that is bigger than the major IC piece
Advanced Shipyard, it should attach to the IC pieces

Its important to discuss this now so that none of the tech pieces are used as national pieces.

[crsluggo]

What an excellent bomber piece! I can’t wait to get the whole set into my grubby little hands…

[kcdzim]

@Emperor_Taiki:

Forever people have wanted these tech pieces. Here are my suggestions for what their molds should be.

Rockets: German V-2
Super Submarine: Japanese I-400(the super sub is a very general idea, I-400 was an submarine aircraft carrier so in this case the three bombers onboard account for the increased attack ability)
Long Range Fighter: US P-38
Jet Fighter: UK Gloster Meteor
Long Range Jet Fighter: German Me-262 ( yes i know it isnt a long range aircraft, but it was the longest range WW2 jet fighter to my knowledge)
Long Range Bomber: UK Vickers Wellington
Heavy Bomber: UK Halifax
Long Range Heavy Bomber: US B-29

I would also like to see a rocket artillery tech, and so that the soviets can have a tech unit

Rocket/Advanced Artillery: Soviet BM-13 Katayusha

There should also be some neutral/facility tech pieces
Radar Station
Advanced IC that is bigger than the major IC piece
Advanced Shipyard, it should attach to the IC pieces

Its important to discuss this now so that none of the tech pieces are used as national pieces.

The B-29 is already the most popular choice for the FMG us bomber mold (though personally I’d prefer the Liberator).

However, it sounds as though you’re suggesting these molds would be good for all countries?  Dunno about you, but I sure don’t ever plan on seeing a game with tech as german to use a p38 for a long range fighter.  But then, I’d never switch out all my air pieces just to reflect “drop tanks” and “larger engines” .  You don’t BUY long range fighters and leave standard planes in play unless it’s a house rule, and it would be an annoyance to have to pick each fighter out to replace with jet tech or long range tech, or jet & long range tech, especially if its in place of an actual country specific unit (why would you want a 262 for US jet tech?).

The only pieces that seem appropriate would be heavy tanks, heavy artillery, jet fighters, and possibly heavy bombers, but that would mean FMG doesn’t mold the popular B29 or others in advance, which seems like it would frustrate those who hope to use fmg pieces as tech or house rules, etc, considering how polls have gone.

If tech was done I’d hope for at the least a jet for each side, if not nation.  Italy would have used the 262 had they even been in the war at that point and the Japanese had a prototype based on it.  The US was developing the shooting star, but the Meteor was used by the allies first.  The russians had their own thing going.  But I still can’t imagine actually using the new pieces for OOB rule tech as it’s so rare and they apply as a blanket revision, which requires removing and replacing a ton of pieces.  But that’s me.

[Emperor_Taiki]

kcdzim, I agree with alot of what you said. However FMG has hinted that they will make a tech set, so my suggestion was a simple 12 mold set that people have pretty much been wanting since the original A&A in order to visually represent tech wheather they are using house rules or not.

What it comes down to is what people want from a tech pieces set? I think it is important to discuss these things now so there isnt any overlap or confusion.

There is gonna be plenty of armor and artillery for unique heavy tanks and artillery with the individual nation sets. If you just want nation specific jet fighters, i dont think that qualifies as a tech set.

cminke, why would the BM-13 be used as the mech unit? its artillery. There are plenty of other amored cars and light tanks that could be used.

And yah the type XXI would be a good alternate to the I-400, I just picked the I-400 because it is very large with an extremely distinctive feature and so that at least one of the tech units was Japanese.

[Emperor_Taiki]

The BA-64 is just one possiblity. Almost ten thousand were produced.

[Raeder]

Whatever happened to Bunkers and Army HQ?

[kcdzim]

@Raeder:

Whatever happened to Bunkers and Army HQ?

The extras set will include factories, pill boxes, army hq, naval bases, air bases, task force markers and AA guns.  they aren’t nation specific and have no real reason to be.

[lozmoid]

Hey FMG, I noticed that the new SM-79 Sparviero Bomber unit has not been posted into the main FMG Italian pieces thread. Just to make you aware of that.

Okay, so just to confirm the complete Italian air units we have:

Macchi C202 Folgore Fighter

Breda BA.65 Tactical Bomber

Fiat BR20 Medium Bomber (This unit actually was a med. bomber so am I right in thinking that the Transport is for house rules etc?)

Savoia-Marchetti SM-79 Sparviero Bomber (Is this unit a Heavy Bomber? According to many online sources, this unit was originally designed as an air transport, so I’m not sure about the Fiat BR20 being a Transport…)

Just trying to clarify what all the Italian air unit designations are. Thanks!

[knp7765]

Since it looks like Germany is going to be next, I was wondering about the great “Black vs. Grey” debate.  Was there ever a final decision on that?

Also, does anybody know how these are going to be priced when we get to order?  Are we paying for Italy alone, which will fund Germany, which will fund the next nation and so on?  I thought that when Italy came out, we paid for all 8 nations.  Thus, we would get the Italian pieces right away and the others would in effect be pre-orders.  Either way will be okay with me, I just would like an idea of what’s going on.

[kcdzim]

@knp7765:

Since it looks like Germany is going to be next, I was wondering about the great “Black vs. Grey” debate.  Was there ever a final decision on that?

Also, does anybody know how these are going to be priced when we get to order?  Are we paying for Italy alone, which will fund Germany, which will fund the next nation and so on?  I thought that when Italy came out, we paid for all 8 nations.  Thus, we would get the Italian pieces right away and the others would in effect be pre-orders.  Either way will be okay with me, I just would like an idea of what’s going on.

FMG opted to produce both black and gray because it’s about 50/50 on preference based on votes, but in another poll more people wouldn’t purchase the units at all if they were only molded in Revised/Classic gray.

It is my understanding that Italy funds the next (Germany).  It is not a preorder for a full set (all nations).  Only a Nation Set.  Early adopters will be paying more, as FMG expects the price to drop as each successive nation is completed, but if they don’t get early adopters to pay the premium, there won’t be enough operating capital to fund the remaining nations.

[allboxcars]

Well hopefully they’ll be quick with the Germans. I imagine sales will be a little brisker for them than the Italians… unless AAE40 has a deficiency like the Japanese tac bombers.

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[johnnymarr]

speaking about IL, has any one heard from him

he’s always here, watching us

[finnman]

Fmg will you sell the exras sepuratly.

[FieldMarshalGames]

@finnman:

Fmg will you sell the exras sepuratly.

The “Extras” Set will be like the other Nations, it will be available for sale separately.

NOTE: After the release of ITALY, the other Nations will be coming in quick succession.  The Factory is already working on the German Sculpts!  As you have seen they have been coming faster and faster.

The first Nation was the biggest challenge with a learning curve for both us and our factory….  Now that we have a system in place I am confident that the ENTIRE project will see completion in 2011 including all Nations and the “Extras” set.

[questioneer]

@FieldMarshalGames:

@finnman:

Fmg will you sell the exras sepuratly.

The “Extras” Set will be like the other Nations, it will be available for sale separately.

NOTE: After the release of ITALY, the other Nations will be coming in quick succession.  The Factory is already working on the German Sculpts!  As you have seen they have been coming faster and faster.

The first Nation was the biggest challenge with a learning curve for both us and our factory….  Now that we have a system in place I am confident that the ENTIRE project will see completion in 2011 including all Nations and the “Extras” set.

Yeah, by the way, what is the approximate due date when I can just buy the whole set with the extras- when is it that available???

Also, ever think of doing the map also???

[Fishmoto37]

@FieldMarshalGames:

@finnman:

Fmg will you sell the exras sepuratly.

The “Extras” Set will be like the other Nations, it will be available for sale separately.

NOTE: After the release of ITALY, the other Nations will be coming in quick succession.  The Factory is already working on the German Sculpts!  As you have seen they have been coming faster and faster.

The first Nation was the biggest challenge with a learning curve for both us and our factory….  Now that we have a system in place I am confident that the ENTIRE project will see completion in 2011 including all Nations and the “Extras” set.

WOW this is great news! This is the first confirmation that I have heard that they all will be ready in my lifetime.

[Razor]

@Fishmoto37:

This is the first confirmation that I have heard that they all will be ready in my lifetime.

You lucky basterd, I got a heart condition and my doc will be surpriced if I live to see the Italians.

[Fishmoto37]

@Razor:

@Fishmoto37:

This is the first confirmation that I have heard that they all will be ready in my lifetime.

You lucky basterd, I got a heart condition and my doc will be surpriced if I live to see the Italians.

Sorry to hear that. Looks like you may not even make it through one game of AAG1940 if thats the case.

[allboxcars]

@FieldMarshalGames:

@finnman:

Fmg will you sell the exras sepuratly.

The “Extras” Set will be like the other Nations, it will be available for sale separately.

NOTE: After the release of ITALY, the other Nations will be coming in quick succession.  The Factory is already working on the German Sculpts!  As you have seen they have been coming faster and faster.

The first Nation was the biggest challenge with a learning curve for both us and our factory….  Now that we have a system in place I am confident that the ENTIRE project will see completion in 2011 including all Nations and the “Extras” set.

Excellent news!  :-D

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[Razor]

geez, this sure is one looooong thread, man