@captain:
Yes the sub can still cause disruption , but if a German sub is there then Russia doesn’t get the 5 pu bonus NO money because there is a warship in 125.
Correct, but then UK move a destroyer there, and then we have the ball going on……
German IPCs (SCARY)
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Germany should get 5 IPC per turn as long as it holds Norway, to simulate the iron ore from Sweden. It was transported through Narvik and then to Germany. This will give the germans a reason to hold on to Norway just like they did for real.
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@i:
Germany should get 5 IPC per turn as long as it holds Norway, to simulate the iron ore from Sweden. It was transported through Narvik and then to Germany. This will give the germans a reason to hold on to Norway just like they did for real.
excilent idea raeder i always give up norway :evil: but if i got 5 ipcs from it i would keep it 8-)
Exactly. I mean, thats part of why they invaded it in the first place. Both them and the allies were about to invade at the same time, but the germans got there first. After that they kept large forces there for the duration of the war.
Perhaps the Jerries should also get 5 IPC:s per turn as long as they hold the Ploesti oil fields of Romania.
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I think Germany will be in the mid twenties at game start (with an unit advantage)
additional income will come from France (+10), later (after an attck on Russia) Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria will add a few more points (again +5 - +10)
If Germany has to attack on turn 3 (Russia) and Turn 4 the US (end 1941) it will have to conquer territories to increase its production (maybe + NOs)
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If Germany only starts in the mid 20’s for IPC’s, then they will start with so many pieces that WOTC won’t give you enough even including the chips.
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They should start at 30, go to 40 from france, cap out around 50-60 depending on gains in Russia.
Italy should be at about in the teens, top out in the 20s depending on gains in Africa.
You gotta keep in mind, these guys will be faced with a 50+ IPC US monster they cannot threaten in the least, not to mention the 30ish IPC UK and Russia.
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You should NOT add up US/UK AND SU starting income.
When the US at least joins in Germany/Italy should have chewed a bit of this money away.
Lets assumne the US has … 10/50 income (peace/war),
UK 30 and SU also 30
If Germany starts at 25 and italy at 10.
That would be 70-35 at the start of the game (US peace Russia also peace - full production?)
Germany should Grab up 10 from france during turn 1 (maybe 2) = End 1940
then its 70-45
Add 5 (at least) from Minor axis (Romania, Hungary, Finland etc), we go to
70-50
Say Turn 3 Germany attacks Russia/balkans (Summer 1941) - this initial assault should (with Italians in Africa) take 10-15 points away from the Allies
Then it would be
55-65! - Axis advantage
Even if the US joins in on turn 4 with full income (production should be 1 turn LATER) - Germany/Italy should take at least another 10 points from the Allies
its
85 (55-10+40) - 75! minor Axis disadvantage, but a good player should be still have an light unit advantage…
Thats why I assume Germany somewhere in the mid 20s with starting income (if Russia/UK start with MUCH more than assumed, I would add a bit - but then the initial assaults should also yield more points for the Axis taken from the Allies)
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Were going to need 2 boxes of German plastic.
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As long as we get enough German Tac Bombers and Mech Infantry. Six of each is not going to cut it.
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We will probably have to buy 2 copies of the game.
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They will proably do a “collectors” box that has addition pieces and able to hold both sets of boards and the nations boxes.
Perhaps like Power Grids recent collectors box.
I have of course said this before so sorry if it seems like I am repeating my self. Because I am. :mrgreen:
Sean
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Oh and perhaps German IPC’s will get bonuses as well for controlling certain things to help with their income.
Perhaps the same for UK. Not so much direct control of territories but bonuses in IPCS when US enters or convoy routes stay unobstructed….etc.
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A collectors box would be great, with no typos of course.
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12 mech infantry should be great. I am somewhat unsure for the tac bombers. I think Germany doesn’t need that many -.-
All I can say is that there won’t be enough room in Germany for all those troops!
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All I can say is that there won’t be enough room in Germany for all those troops!
oh yeah, they call that Lebensraum baby! :evil:
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All I can say is that there won’t be enough room in Germany for all those troops!
That’s why Hitler started the war, remember? :wink:
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@Brain:
If Germany only starts in the mid 20’s for IPC’s, then they will start with so many pieces that WOTC won’t give you enough even including the chips.
That is the funniest thing I have ever read from you. :lol:
Funny that folks keep talking about the room needed for the troops. I see the same problem developing in Pacific40. We get a bigger map, which is cool. They add more territories and sea zones, which is cool. We get way more strategic and tactical flavor. I love how the Solomon Islands are a key feature in Pac40 for example. But when we get a bigger map with more territories and sea zones, will still have the problem of placing the stacks on the map. Even with chips, for example, I have trouble getting all my units into Burma, where I have Infantry, Fighters, Artillery, Tac Bomber, AA gun, and then add Tanks. I suspect we will have the same problem in Europe on the Russian Front. I can’t wait. Well, I can wait some 'cause I’m having a great time playing Pac40 too.
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WOTC, just give me more plastic pieces then I can use.
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I’m sorry, but how is the Solomons a key location in Pacific 40.
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seriously
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@democratic:
I’m sorry, but how is the Solomons a key location in Pacific 40.
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