AA50-41 PBF Tourney Discussion (Sign-up - Closed)

[Perry]

@Lynxes:

I vote for 13 VCs. If you get 13 you’re winning anyway, so it’s just a way of shortening the game, and the tournament.

Ditto. 13 VCs , or concession  :-)
It is good to have some formal “closing point”, so that games do not drag on and on , even far after any hopes of winning is lost.

[Telamon]

Many games can still be won with the opponent having 13VCs. So I agree with loser conceding… Just don’t hold out when there’s no hope.  The leader with 13VCs can certainly ask politely for an honourable surrender if they think it’s inevitable.  But who knows, they may get surprised - have seen this on enough occasions to warrant playing games a few more turns to see.

[Bardoly]

1.  Mr Morden               
2.  Jennifer               
3.  Uberlager
4.  flesh_pile
5.  Danger Mouse
6.  Lynxes                -13 VC
7.  Questioneer
8.  a44bigdog
9.  eudemonist
10. MatildaMike
11. Perry                  -13 VC
12. Funcioneta          -13 VC
13. anchovy
14. BigRedOne            -13 VC
15. Bardoly                -looser conceeds
16. Ogrebait
17. tcnance
18. Botider
19. atarihuana            -looser conceeds
20. P@nther
21. DY
22. Dutchmand
23. d142
24. DM
25. Zygmund
26. Bigbadgoo
27. Gargantua
28. Demolition Man
29. OperationTorch
30. Telamon              -looser conceeds
31. JonMiller
32. souL

[DY]

Having played in several tourneys at other sites where games have gone to judgment, I’d take a quicker 13 VC game over a “subjective” result any day

+1 for 13 VC

[d142]

my vote is for a 15 victory city game, anyone who think’s that they can not win before that could concede,
i think that with the timescale for this tournament, 15 v.c. would work

1.  Mr Morden               
2.  Jennifer               
3.  Uberlager
4.  flesh_pile
5.  Danger Mouse
6.  Lynxes                 -13 VC
7.  Questioneer
8.  a44bigdog
9.  eudemonist
10. MatildaMike
11. Perry                   -13 VC
12. Funcioneta           -13 VC
13. anchovy
14. BigRedOne            -13 VC
15. Bardoly                -looser conceeds
16. Ogrebait
17. tcnance
18. Botider
19. atarihuana            -looser conceeds
20. P@nther
21. DY
22. Dutchmand
23. d142                    - 15 v.c. / loser concede’s
24. DM
25. Zygmund
26. Bigbadgoo
27. Gargantua
28. Demolition Man
29. OperationTorch
30. Telamon               -looser conceeds
31. JonMiller
32. souL

[Bardoly]

Another thought would be that if people are afraid that the games will take too long, then play for Victory Cities in the first 2 or 3 rounds, and then for the last rounds, play to total victory/concession.

1.  Mr Morden               
2.  Jennifer               
3.  Uberlager
4.  flesh_pile
5.  Danger Mouse
6.  Lynxes                -13 VC
7.  Questioneer
8.  a44bigdog
9.  eudemonist
10. MatildaMike
11. Perry                  -13 VC
12. Funcioneta          -13 VC
13. anchovy
14. BigRedOne            -13 VC
15. Bardoly                -looser conceeds
16. Ogrebait
17. tcnance
18. Botider
19. atarihuana            -looser conceeds
20. P@nther
21. DY                      -13 VC
22. Dutchmand
23. d142                    - 15 v.c. / loser concede’s
24. DM
25. Zygmund
26. Bigbadgoo
27. Gargantua
28. Demolition Man
29. OperationTorch
30. Telamon              -looser conceeds
31. JonMiller
32. souL

[DarthMaximus]

Okay, it looks like we got 32.  I’ll stop the sign-up here, and anyone that shows interest will be considered an alternate incase someone doesn’t show up for their rd 1 game.

Maybe we can get this thing going this week.

As for the Endgame

The problem with only loser concedes is basically just due to time.  That is usually how I play and I never play specifically for VC count, but I don’t think that is feasible for a tourney.  There needs to be an “out” prior to judgment since I don’t really want to judge games.  Obviously a player can concede at any time, but having a back door VC total needed will help in games where you’ve taken a capital, but to try and take out Japan or the UK to finish the job is going to be a pain.  That’s why I’m kind of leaning toward 15, since I’d like people to have to at least take a capital, and with 13 you can alter your game and just play for that.  IIRC, I think it is possible for the Allies to get 14 without ever taking Berlin, Rome, or Tokyo.

I don’t think it should be too much of an issue I think the vast majority of games will end with loser concessions.

[atarihuana]

15 VC means for axis they need to take out…… ottawa  :roll: :mrgreen:

but you are right. unless u have some bogus fool refusing to accept loss, it shouldnt be a problem. also 15 VC is OOB rules, so why not just stick with that.

[DarthMaximus]

Maybe you could take Wus.  :-D

Yeah, I’d hope the Allies would seriously consider surrendering if the Axis had 14 VC after the US turn.

[DarthMaximus]

The Rules thread is up here:

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=13562.0

Brackets and sides for Rd 1 will be drawn this week, so we can kickoff for this weekend.

Final List of Players:

1.  Mr Morden               
2.  Jennifer               
3.  Uberlager
4.  flesh_pile
5.  Danger Mouse
6.  Lynxes               
7.  Questioneer
8.  a44bigdog
9.  eudemonist
10. MatildaMike
11. Perry                 
12. Funcioneta         
13. anchovy
14. BigRedOne           
15. Bardoly               
16. Ogrebait
17. tcnance
18. Botider
19. atarihuana         
20. P@nther
21. DY                     
22. Dutchmand
23. d142                   
24. DM
25. Zygmund
26. Bigbadgoo
27. Gargantua
28. Demolition Man
29. OperationTorch
30. Telamon             
31. JonMiller
32. souL

[DarthMaximus]

Using this list, lets start rolling.

1.  Mr Morden               
2.  Jennifer               
3.  Uberlager
4.  flesh_pile
5.  Danger Mouse
6.  Lynxes               
7.  Questioneer
8.  a44bigdog
9.  eudemonist
10. MatildaMike
11. Perry                 
12. Funcioneta         
13. anchovy
14. BigRedOne           
15. Bardoly               
16. Ogrebait
17. tcnance
18. Botider
19. atarihuana         
20. P@nther
21. DY                     
22. Dutchmand
23. d142                   
24. DM
25. Zygmund
26. Bigbadgoo
27. Gargantua
28. Demolition Man
29. OperationTorch
30. Telamon             
31. JonMiller
32. souL

The roll corresponds to the player.  I’ll roll 4 games at once, any duplicates will be re-rolled with new list numbering.

Game 1
Rolling 1d32:
(7)  
vs.
Rolling 1d32:
(20)

Game 2
Rolling 1d32:
(17)  
vs.
Rolling 1d32:
(12)

Game 3
Rolling 1d32:
(23)  
vs.
Rolling 1d32:
(31)

Game 4
Rolling 1d32:
(16)  
vs.
Rolling 1d32:
(6)

[DarthMaximus]

Game 1
Questioneer vs. P@nther

Game 2
Tcnance vs. Funcioneta

Game 3
d142 vs. JonMiller

Game 4
Ogrebait vs. Lynxes

[DarthMaximus]

New List

1.  Mr Morden               
2.  Jennifer               
3.  Uberlager
4.  flesh_pile
5.  Danger Mouse
6.  a44bigdog
7.  eudemonist
8. MatildaMike
9. Perry                 
10. anchovy
11. BigRedOne           
12. Bardoly               
13. Botider
14. atarihuana         
15. DY                     
16. Dutchmand
17. DM
18. Zygmund
19. Bigbadgoo
20. Gargantua
21. Demolition Man
22. OperationTorch
23. Telamon             
24. souL

See if this works again, duplicates get re-rolled with new list.

Game 5
Rolling 1d24:
(5)  
vs.
Rolling 1d24:
(23)

Game 6
Rolling 1d24:
(10)  
vs.
Rolling 1d24:
(8)

Game 7
Rolling 1d24:
(5)  
vs.
Rolling 1d24:
(15)

Game 8
Rolling 1d24:
(9)  
vs.
Rolling 1d24:
(9)

[DarthMaximus]

Stupid  8-) 
8-)  = equals an 8.

Game 5
Danger Mouse vs. Telamon

Game 6
MatildaMike vs. anchovy

Game 7
DY vs.

Game 8
Perry vs.

1.  Mr Morden               
2.  Jennifer               
3.  Uberlager
4.  flesh_pile
5.  a44bigdog
6.  eudemonist
7. BigRedOne           
8. Bardoly               
9. Botider
10. atarihuana         
11. Dutchmand
12. DM
13. Zygmund
14. Bigbadgoo
15. Gargantua
16. Demolition Man
17. OperationTorch
18. souL

DY plays

Rolling 1d18:
(5)

Perry plays:

Rolling 1d18:
(7)

[DarthMaximus]

Game 7
DY vs. A44bigdog

Game 8
Perry vs. BigRedOne

1.  Mr Morden               
2.  Jennifer               
3.  Uberlager
4.  flesh_pile
5.  eudemonist
6. Bardoly               
7. Botider
8. atarihuana         
9. Dutchmand
10. DM
11. Zygmund
12. Bigbadgoo
13. Gargantua
14. Demolition Man
15. OperationTorch
16. souL

Big bucks, NO WHAMMY’s!!!

Game 9
Rolling 1d16:
(13)  
vs.
Rolling 1d16:
(11)

Game 10
Rolling 1d16:
(14)  
vs.
Rolling 1d16:
(10)

Game 11
Rolling 1d16:
(7)  
vs.
Rolling 1d16:
(10)

Game 12
Rolling 1d16:
(14)  
vs.
Rolling 1d16:
(7)

[DarthMaximus]

Damn Whammy’s.

Game 9
Gargantua vs. Zygmund

Game 10
Demolition Man vs. DarthMaximus

Game 11
Botider vs.

Game 12
:cry:

[DarthMaximus]

1.  Mr Morden               
2.  Jennifer               
3.  Uberlager
4.  flesh_pile
5.  eudemonist
6. Bardoly               
7. atarihuana         
8. Dutchmand
9. Bigbadgoo
10. OperationTorch
11. souL

Game 9
Bo vs.

Rolling 1d11:
(4)

Game 12

Rolling 1d11:
(11)  
vs.
Rolling 1d11:
(3)

[DarthMaximus]

Game 11
Botider vs. flesh_pile

Game 12
souL vs. Uberlager

1.  Mr Morden               
2.  Jennifer               
3.  eudemonist
4. Bardoly               
5. atarihuana         
6. Dutchmand
7. Bigbadgoo
8. OperationTorch

Game 13

Rolling 1d8:
(3)  
vs.
Rolling 1d8:
(1)

[DarthMaximus]

Game 13
Mr. Morden vs. eudemonist

1.  Jennifer               
2. Bardoly               
3. atarihuana         
4. Dutchmand
5. Bigbadgoo
6. OperationTorch

Game 14

Rolling 1d6:
(2)  
vs.
Rolling 1d6:
(5)

[DarthMaximus]

Game 14
Bardoly vs. Bigbadgoo

1.  Jennifer               
2. atarihuana         
3. Dutchmand
4. OperationTorch

Lets see if this works,

Game 15

Rolling 1d4:
(2)  
vs.
Rolling 1d4:
(1)