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L20 #1 trulpen (X+3) vs ksmckay (A) BM3
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TripleA Turn Summary: Chinese round 19
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4
Game History
Round: 19 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 10 armour, 1 fighter, 1 harbour, 7 infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Americans 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 43 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 43 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 20 Sea Zone to Kwangtung 14 fighters moved from 43 Sea Zone to Kwangtung 4 bombers and 3 fighters moved from Spain to 97 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 91 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Southern France Americans take Southern France from Italians 2 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Holland Belgium 4 fighters moved from Spain to 110 Sea Zone 3 fighters moved from Gibraltar to Holland Belgium 1 fighter moved from Spain to Holland Belgium 1 fighter moved from Spain to Holland Belgium 1 fighter moved from Spain to Holland Belgium 1 submarine moved from 93 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 93 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone Combat - Americans Battle in Sumatra Battle in Kwangtung Americans attack with 14 fighters and 1 infantry Japanese defend with 1 harbour and 1 mech_infantry Americans roll dice for 14 fighters and 1 infantry in Kwangtung, round 2 : 9/15 hits, 7.17 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Kwangtung, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 mech_infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Kwangtung Americans win, taking Sumatra from Japanese with 14 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1 Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry Casualties for Japanese: 1 mech_infantry Battle in 97 Sea Zone British loiter and taunt; Americans attack with 4 bombers, 3 fighters and 4 submarines Germans defend with 1 destroyer Americans roll dice for 4 submarines in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits Americans roll dice for 4 bombers and 3 fighters in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/7 hits, 4.17 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the Germans and 1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in 97 Sea Zone Americans win with 4 bombers, 3 fighters and 3 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2 Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine Casualties for Germans: 1 destroyer Battle in Holland Belgium Americans attack with 6 fighters and 2 infantry Germans defend with 2 infantry Americans roll dice for 6 fighters and 2 infantry in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 3/8 hits, 3.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Holland Belgium Americans win, taking Holland Belgium from Germans with 6 fighters and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry Battle in 110 Sea Zone Americans attack with 4 fighters and 1 submarine Germans defend with 1 destroyer Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the Germans lost in 110 Sea Zone Americans win with 4 fighters and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for Germans: 1 destroyer Non Combat Move - Americans 2 fighters moved from 110 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone 1 carrier and 1 destroyer moved from 91 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from 110 Sea Zone to Spain 6 fighters moved from Holland Belgium to Spain 2 aaGuns, 9 artilleries, 12 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Southern France 1 marine moved from Spain to 91 Sea Zone 4 artilleries and 13 infantry moved from Spain to Southern France 3 fighters moved from 97 Sea Zone to Tobruk 4 bombers moved from 97 Sea Zone to Spain 3 fighters moved from Eastern United States to Gibraltar 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Turkey to Iraq 2 infantry moved from Persia to Iraq 4 artilleries moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone 10 infantry moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone 4 artilleries, 10 infantry and 7 transports moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone 4 artilleries and 10 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Spain 7 transports moved from 91 Sea Zone to 101 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone 1 destroyer, 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 31 Sea Zone 1 battleship, 14 carriers, 2 cruisers, 7 destroyers, 10 fighters, 4 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 43 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone 2 tactical_bombers moved from Guam to Caroline Islands 14 fighters moved from Kwangtung to 20 Sea Zone 3 fighters moved from Guam to 20 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Guam to Caroline Islands 2 destroyers and 1 submarine moved from 33 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 80 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 91 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone 2 submarines moved from 35 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone Place Units - Americans 3 armour placed in Spain 3 armour and 7 infantry placed in Central United States 4 armour placed in Eastern United States 1 fighter placed in Eastern United States 1 submarine placed in 105 Sea Zone 1 harbour placed in Formosa Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 80 PUs; end with 81 PUs Trigger Americans 7 North Africa Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 86 PUs Trigger Americans 6 Western Europe Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 91 PUs Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 101 PUs Objective Americans 9 Vital Forward Bases: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 106 PUs Objective Americans 8 Pacific Airfields: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 111 PUs Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 116 PUs Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 121 PUs Objective Americans 4 Philippines: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 126 PUs Purchase Units - Chinese Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed Combat Move - Chinese Turn Complete - Chinese Chinese collect 0 PUs; end with 2 PUs Purchase Units - British British buy 5 artilleries, 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 6 PUs; Combat Move - British 1 infantry moved from Greece to Albania British take Albania from Italians 1 infantry moved from Greece to Bulgaria British take Bulgaria from Germans 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 112 Sea Zone to Denmark 6 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 112 Sea Zone 1 battleship moved from 43 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone Combat - British Battle in Denmark Non Combat Move - British 9 artilleries, 4 fighters, 20 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Southern France 3 aaGuns, 1 artillery, 3 fighters, 17 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Spain to Southern France 2 fighters moved from 112 Sea Zone to United Kingdom 4 fighters moved from 112 Sea Zone to Southern France 1 infantry and 3 transports moved from 91 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone 1 carrier and 1 destroyer moved from 91 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone 5 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 109 Sea Zone 6 infantry and 3 transports moved from 109 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone 5 infantry moved from 104 Sea Zone to Spain 1 armour moved from Greece to Iraq 2 aaGuns, 5 artilleries and 20 infantry moved from Turkey to Iraq 3 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq 1 bomber moved from Egypt to Southern France 3 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan 2 aaGuns, 11 infantry and 22 mech_infantrys moved from Persia to Iraq Place Units - British 3 artilleries placed in Egypt 1 transport placed in 106 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in Quebec 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in United Kingdom Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by British from 97 Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 93 Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Removing units owned by British from 93 Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 98 Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turn Complete - British British collect 43 PUs; end with 49 PUs Objective British 4 Control Convoy Lanes: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 52 PUs Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 55 PUs Objective British 2 Southern Europe Beach Head: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 58 PUs Turn Complete - UK_PacificCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans : -0.33 Americans : -0.33 Japanese : 0.67 -
assumed no scramble in 97. Japanese fleet is starting to come back. Not looking too shabby.
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didnt see the dd in 42. Otherwise I would have sent a sub and the rest of my air there. I dont really care but if you dont care then just roll defense to see if my sub would live.
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(8 ftr 1 tac 1 sub vs 1 dd).
If you arent ok with that, then I want to keep my us sub in 80 instead of moving it to 39.
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anzac has no combat movement.
Purchase 1 mIC, 1 tt, 1 inf 1 art2 inf persia to Iraq
Everything in South Aus and NSW to Queensland
tt z62 to 54
1 ftr guam to Que
2 dd z43 to 20
2 ftr gua to Que
1 ss 19 to 6
2 ftr z20 to caromIC to Que
France
1 inf z104 to Spain -
@ksmckay said in L20 #1 trulpen (X+3) vs ksmckay (A) BM3:
didnt see the dd in 42. Otherwise I would have sent a sub and the rest of my air there. I dont really care but if you dont care then just roll defense to see if my sub would live.
Oh, I do care very much about having my des, but it’s logical that you attack it, so of course I’ll allow it. I’ll set up a ghost battle with Italy.
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@ksmckay said in L20 #1 trulpen (X+3) vs ksmckay (A) BM3:
assumed no scramble in 97.
Actually I might have wanted a full scramble there. Invested 8 in repairs and 15 in an ab. Could scramble 6 figs.
It’s not completely evident. The calc says G would lose some 20 TUV on it, but if the subs disappear, it’s about the same in convoy disruption anyway. They’re a real nuiscance.
I’ll have a think on it (N.B. not decided yet).
If I decide upon a scramble, I’ll roll the defense dice manually, select causalties (which should be very evident in this order: sub, fig, sb) and notify the result. Then you can decide if you wanted to press on to kill off all the air.
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Depending on an eventual outcome, you may also change the position of UK subs in the area.
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Trading German air for anything is an absolute win, particularly for subs. Have at it. Id fight to death no matter what. But yeah, I would keep the UK subs there if you scrambled but after you look at your position I highly doubt you will.
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@ksmckay said in L20 #1 trulpen (X+3) vs ksmckay (A) BM3:
Trading German air for anything is an absolute win, particularly for subs. Have at it. Id fight to death no matter what. But yeah, I would keep the UK subs there if you scrambled but after you look at your position I highly doubt you will.
I know. Still, I find the decision a bit tricky. After the battle US likely lost some air, which is also important, but yeah, G would have 4 fig, 3 tac left. Wouldn’t feel so good.
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The question is rather then “do I feel lucky, punk?”. But maybe this is still not the time for desperados…
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Sorry to assume, sure it feels tempting after seeing a bad roll. And if you are feeling desperate (reasonable) then it might seem like a good idea but a smaller German air force is worth any cost, particularly us subs and air. But yeah take your time and do whatever. I suppose if I completely whiffed round 2 I might retreat round 3.
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Nah, you’re right. If I was really lucky, it’d be worth it, but there’s too much risk involved. Think it was a pretty close call, but there’ll be no scramble.
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@ksmckay said in L20 #1 trulpen (X+3) vs ksmckay (A) BM3:
Sorry to assume, sure it feels tempting after seeing a bad roll.
Tried not to take that into account. After reflecting on it I realize your argument is correct. Assuming is ok.
How do you think a situation with scramble option should be handled? Keep rolled dice, or re-roll the full battle if the assumption was wrong?
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I dunno, if I had thought there was a chance you would scramble I would have waited. I don’t know what the official rule would be but id probably say keep what’s been rolled. Gives an advantage to the scrambler but the other person could have just waited and avoided the situation.
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Is it ok if I don’t care so much about italian NCM, but adjust along with the G NCM?
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Yeah that’s fine. No German combat moves I’m worried about affecting things too much.
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@ksmckay said in L20 #1 trulpen (X+3) vs ksmckay (A) BM3:
I dunno, if I had thought there was a chance you would scramble I would have waited. I don’t know what the official rule would be but id probably say keep what’s been rolled. Gives an advantage to the scrambler but the other person could have just waited and avoided the situation.
Think that would be the ruling, but if we’re in agreement, then no ruling is necessary. I’d say that it’s actually more fair to re-roll, since the defender shouldn’t be aware of the dice. And why you didn’t wait was because 6-8 h of likely unnecessary prolongation.
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Yeah, I agree but I guess that is something that should be discussed beforehand. Something I probably will discuss in fact in the future. But knowing it was middle of night I didn’t want to wait since I had time. But that’s something easier to discuss before the fact and simple enough to ask at the beginning.
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Ok I’m out. Have fun with Germany. Looks tricky to me
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