Game 2: Max334 (Axis) vs weddingsinger(Allies) G40 bid +17

weddingsinger

Bid 17
1 UK transport in sz 71 (S. Africa)
1 UK sub in sz 98 (Egypt)
1 UK art in Anglo-Egypt Sudan

weddingsinger

Bid units already placed.

save game file here.

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max334

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Germans
Germans buy 1 bomber, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to 110 Sea Zone
2 bombers moved from Germany to 110 Sea Zone
2 fighters moved from Western Germany to 110 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to 111 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Norway to 111 Sea Zone
1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 110 Sea Zone
2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 111 Sea Zone
1 submarine moved from 118 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone
1 submarine moved from 108 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
1 submarine moved from 124 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone
1 submarine moved from 103 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
1 submarine moved from 117 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux
1 armour moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux
2 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to France
1 artillery, 3 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to France
3 armour moved from Greater Southern Germany to France
1 armour moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia
1 fighter moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia
1 tactical_bomber moved from Poland to Yugoslavia
1 armour moved from Romania to Yugoslavia
2 artilleries moved from Greater Southern Germany to Yugoslavia
5 infantry moved from Greater Southern Germany to Yugoslavia

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weddingsinger

Scramble Scotland.

I’m REALLY tempted to max scramble sz 110… odds show you should lose 3 or 4 planes…

Fark it… MAX SCRAMBLE!

/God help me, this is such a bad idea…

max334

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Germans
Germans buy 1 bomber, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to 110 Sea Zone
2 bombers moved from Germany to 110 Sea Zone
2 fighters moved from Western Germany to 110 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to 111 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Norway to 111 Sea Zone
1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 110 Sea Zone
2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 111 Sea Zone
1 submarine moved from 118 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone
1 submarine moved from 108 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
1 submarine moved from 124 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone
1 submarine moved from 103 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
1 submarine moved from 117 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux
1 armour moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux
2 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to France
1 artillery, 3 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to France
3 armour moved from Greater Southern Germany to France
1 armour moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia
1 fighter moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia
1 tactical_bomber moved from Poland to Yugoslavia
1 armour moved from Romania to Yugoslavia
2 artilleries moved from Greater Southern Germany to Yugoslavia
5 infantry moved from Greater Southern Germany to Yugoslavia

Combat - Germans
British scrambles 1 units out of Scotland to defend against the attack in 111 Sea Zone
British scrambles 3 units out of United Kingdom to defend against the attack in 110 Sea Zone
Battle in 110 Sea Zone
Germans attack with 2 bombers, 2 fighters, 2 submarines and 2 tactical_bombers
British defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 2 fighters; French defend with 1 cruiser and 1 fighter
Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits
Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British
Germans roll dice for 2 bombers, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/1 hits
British roll dice for 3 fighters in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/0 hits
British roll dice for 1 battleship and 2 cruisers in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/1 hits
1 cruiser owned by the French, 2 submarines owned by the Germans, 1 cruiser owned by the British, 1 fighter owned by the Germans, 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Germans and 1 fighter owned by the British lost in 110 Sea Zone
Germans roll dice for 2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 110 Sea Zone, round 3 : 3/1 hits
British roll dice for 1 battleship and 2 fighters in 110 Sea Zone, round 3 : 2/0 hits
1 fighter owned by the Germans, 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Germans, 1 fighter owned by the French, 1 battleship owned by the British and 1 fighter owned by the British lost in 110 Sea Zone
Germans win with 2 bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 20
Casualties for Germans: 2 fighters, 2 submarines and 2 tactical_bombers
Casualties for British: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 2 fighters
Casualties for French: 1 cruiser and 1 fighter
Battle in 111 Sea Zone
Germans attack with 2 fighters, 2 submarines and 2 tactical_bombers
British defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in 111 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits
Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British
Germans roll dice for 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in 111 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/1 hits
British roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter in 111 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/1 hits
1 destroyer owned by the British, 2 submarines owned by the Germans and 1 cruiser owned by the British lost in 111 Sea Zone
Germans roll dice for 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in 111 Sea Zone, round 3 : 2/1 hits
British roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 fighter in 111 Sea Zone, round 3 : 2/1 hits
2 fighters owned by the Germans, 1 battleship owned by the British and 1 fighter owned by the British lost in 111 Sea Zone
Germans win with 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 18
Casualties for Germans: 2 fighters and 2 submarines
Casualties for British: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
Battle in Yugoslavia
Germans attack with 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 5 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
Neutral_Allies defend with 5 infantry
Germans roll dice for 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 5 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 4/0 hits
Neutral_Allies roll dice for 5 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 2/1 hits
4 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies and 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Yugoslavia
2 artilleries owned by the Germans, 3 infantry owned by the Germans and 2 armour owned by the Germans retreated to Romania
Neutral_Allies win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 4 infantry
Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
Germans attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry
French defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 2/1 hits
French roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 0/1 hits
1 infantry owned by the French and 1 artillery owned by the French lost in Normandy Bordeaux
Germans win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from French with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
Casualties for French: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
Battle in France
Germans attack with 5 armour, 2 artilleries, 6 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys
British defend with 1 armour and 1 artillery; French defend with 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 factory_major, 1 fighter and 6 infantry
Germans roll dice for 5 armour, 2 artilleries, 6 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys in France, round 2 : 5/1 hits
French roll dice for 1 aaGun, 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 6 infantry in France, round 2 : 4/1 hits
1 aaGun owned by the French, 4 infantry owned by the Germans and 4 infantry owned by the French lost in France
Germans roll dice for 5 armour, 2 artilleries, 2 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys in France, round 3 : 4/1 hits
French roll dice for 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in France, round 3 : 3/0 hits
2 infantry owned by the Germans, 2 infantry owned by the French, 1 artillery owned by the British, 1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans and 1 artillery owned by the French lost in France
Germans roll dice for 5 armour, 2 artilleries and 3 mech_infantrys in France, round 4 : 4/0 hits
French roll dice for 2 armour and 1 fighter in France, round 4 : 2/1 hits
1 armour owned by the French, 1 fighter owned by the French, 2 mech_infantrys owned by the Germans and 1 armour owned by the British lost in France
Germans captures 19PUs while taking French capital
Germans converts factory_major into different units
Germans win, taking France from French with 5 armour, 2 artilleries and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 23
Casualties for Germans: 6 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys
Casualties for British: 1 armour and 1 artillery
Casualties for French: 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 6 infantry
Battle in 106 Sea Zone
Germans attack with 1 submarine
British defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 106 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits
British roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 106 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits
Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 106 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits
British roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 106 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits
1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 106 Sea Zone
1 transport owned by the British lost in 106 Sea Zone
Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 106 Sea Zone, round 4 : 0/1 hits
Germans win, taking 106 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15
Casualties for British: 1 destroyer and 1 transport
Trigger Germans Conquer France: Setting switch to true for conditionAttachment_French_1_Liberation_Switch attached to French

Non Combat Move - Germans
1 infantry moved from Norway to Finland
Germans take Finland from Neutral_Axis
2 infantry moved from Romania to Bulgaria
Germans take Bulgaria from Neutral_Axis
2 bombers moved from 110 Sea Zone to Western Germany
2 tactical_bombers moved from 111 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium
2 aaGuns moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
1 artillery moved from Germany to 114 Sea Zone
1 artillery, 1 cruiser and 1 transport moved from 114 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yugoslavia to Southern Italy
1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport moved from 113 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
1 artillery moved from 112 Sea Zone to Norway
1 armour moved from Poland to Romania

Place Units - Germans
1 transport placed in 112 Sea Zone
1 bomber and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Western Germany

Turn Complete - Germans
Germans collect 39 PUs; end with 58 PUs
Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 63 PUs
Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 68 PUs

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weddingsinger

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Russians
Russians buy 12 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians

Combat - Russians

Non Combat Move - Russians
6 infantry moved from Buryatia to Yakut S.S.R.
2 aaGuns and 6 infantry moved from Sakha to Buryatia
6 infantry moved from Amur to Buryatia
1 submarine moved from 127 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
2 aaGuns, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 6 infantry moved from Novgorod to Belarus
3 infantry moved from Baltic States to Belarus
2 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Belarus
3 infantry moved from Vyborg to Novgorod
1 infantry moved from Karelia to Novgorod
1 infantry moved from Archangel to Belarus
1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Western Ukraine
3 infantry moved from Ukraine to Western Ukraine
2 infantry moved from Caucasus to Rostov
1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Bryansk
1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
2 aaGuns, 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Bryansk
1 cruiser moved from 115 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone

Place Units - Russians
3 infantry placed in Novgorod
3 infantry placed in Ukraine
6 infantry placed in Russia

Turn Complete - Russians
Russians collect 37 PUs; end with 38 PUs

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max334

I agree with you…Max Scramble…and you did average…could have been better, could have been worse

weddingsinger

@max334:

I agree with you…Max Scramble…and you did average…could have been better, could have been worse

In a normal game I wouldn’t - you need at least 1 UK fighter for Taranto raid and 1+ at home to discourage Sea Lion. In a bid game I don’t need them for Taranto and can bring another one home from Gibraltor if I like. So I took a chance at gutting the German air force.

max334

May i change out 2 ftr losses for 2 tacs instead?

weddingsinger

@max334:

May i change out 2 ftr losses for 2 tacs instead?

Sure thing.

max334

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Japanese
Japanese buy 1 factory_minor and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Japanese
1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar
Japanese take Chahar from Chinese
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Shantung to 19 Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe
Japanese take Anhwe from Chinese
2 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kiangsu to Yunnan
1 bomber moved from Japan to Yunnan
1 artillery moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
2 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Hunan
2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Manchuria to Hunan

Combat - Japanese
Battle in Hunan
Japanese attack with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
Chinese defend with 2 infantry
Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Hunan, round 2 : 3/1 hits
Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Hunan, round 2 : 1/1 hits
1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 2 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Hunan
Japanese win, taking Hunan from Chinese with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry
Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
Battle in Yunnan
Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
Chinese defend with 4 infantry
Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Yunnan, round 2 : 2/1 hits
Chinese roll dice for 4 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/1 hits
1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 2 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan
Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Yunnan, round 3 : 3/1 hits
Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 3 : 1/1 hits
1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 2 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan
Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
Casualties for Chinese: 4 infantry
Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry

Non Combat Move - Japanese
1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Hunan
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Kwangsi
1 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Anhwe
1 artillery moved from Kiangsu to Anhwe
2 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Kiangsi
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 19 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
1 bomber moved from Japan to Siam
1 fighter moved from Formosa to Siam
1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Hunan to Kwangsi
1 carrier moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
1 aaGun, 1 artillery, 6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol
4 infantry moved from Korea to Manchuria
1 cruiser moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
1 carrier moved from 33 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 33 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
1 destroyer moved from 33 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
1 cruiser moved from 20 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
1 carrier moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
1 destroyer moved from 6 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Okinawa to 36 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from 6 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
1 tactical_bomber moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to Kwangsi
1 fighter moved from Korea to Jehol
1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to Jehol
1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Okinawa to 19 Sea Zone
1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 19 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
1 armour moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 6 Sea Zone to Korea
1 destroyer moved from 19 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
1 battleship moved from 19 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
1 submarine moved from 19 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
1 battleship moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone

Place Units - Japanese
1 factory_minor placed in Shantung
2 transports placed in 6 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Japanese
Japanese collect 30 PUs; end with 30 PUs
Objective Japanese 1 Trade With America: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 40 PUs

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weddingsinger

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Americans
Americans buy 4 bombers; Remaining resources: 4 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans

Non Combat Move - Americans
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Philippines to 31 Sea Zone
2 fighters moved from Hawaiian Islands to Wake Island
1 fighter moved from 10 Sea Zone to Wake Island
1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 31 Sea Zone
1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 10 Sea Zone
1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 31 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Western United States to 101 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone
1 armour moved from Central United States to Western United States
1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to Eastern United States
1 mech_infantry moved from Western United States to Central United States
1 bomber moved from Central United States to Eastern United States
1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
2 fighters moved from 101 Sea Zone to Eastern United States

Place Units - Americans
3 bombers placed in Eastern United States
1 bomber placed in Western United States

Turn Complete - Americans
Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 56 PUs

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weddingsinger

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Chinese
Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
Chinese buy 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese
2 infantry moved from Kweichow to Hunan
1 fighter moved from Szechwan to Hunan
3 infantry moved from Szechwan to Yunnan

Combat - Chinese
Battle in Yunnan
Chinese attack with 3 infantry
Japanese defend with 1 artillery
Chinese roll dice for 3 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 0/1 hits
Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/1 hits
1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan
Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 3 : 0/1 hits
Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery in Yunnan, round 3 : 0/1 hits
Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 4 : 1/1 hits
Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery in Yunnan, round 4 : 0/1 hits
1 artillery owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan
Chinese win, taking Yunnan from Japanese with 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery
Battle in Hunan
Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
Japanese defend with 2 infantry
Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Hunan, round 2 : 1/1 hits
Japanese roll dice for 2 infantry in Hunan, round 2 : 1/1 hits
1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Hunan
Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Hunan, round 3 : 1/1 hits
Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Hunan, round 3 : 0/1 hits
1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Hunan
Chinese win, taking Hunan from Japanese with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry

Non Combat Move - Chinese
1 fighter moved from Hunan to Shensi
2 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Shensi
1 infantry moved from Shensi to Szechwan

Place Units - Chinese
4 infantry placed in Szechwan

Turn Complete - Chinese
Chinese collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUs
Objective Chinese 1 Burma Road: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 16 PUs

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weddingsinger

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 1

Combat Move - British
1 fighter moved from Malta to 97 Sea Zone
1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to 97 Sea Zone
1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to 71 Sea Zone
2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 71 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from 76 Sea Zone to Ethiopia
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Ethiopia
1 cruiser moved from 39 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
1 artillery moved from India to 39 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 79 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from West India to 79 Sea Zone
1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 79 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
1 cruiser moved from 91 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
1 submarine moved from 98 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Alexandria to Tobruk
1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Tobruk
1 artillery moved from Egypt to 98 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Egypt to 98 Sea Zone
1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 96 Sea Zone to Tobruk

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weddingsinger

Taranto raid - Scramble options

max334

scramble two german planes only

weddingsinger

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Americans
Americans buy 4 bombers; Remaining resources: 4 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans

Non Combat Move - Americans
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Philippines to 31 Sea Zone
2 fighters moved from Hawaiian Islands to Wake Island
1 fighter moved from 10 Sea Zone to Wake Island
1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 31 Sea Zone
1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 10 Sea Zone
1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 31 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Western United States to 101 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone
1 armour moved from Central United States to Western United States
1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to Eastern United States
1 mech_infantry moved from Western United States to Central United States
1 bomber moved from Central United States to Eastern United States
1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
2 fighters moved from 101 Sea Zone to Eastern United States

Place Units - Americans
3 bombers placed in Eastern United States
1 bomber placed in Western United States

Turn Complete - Americans
Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 56 PUs

Purchase Units - Chinese
Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
Chinese buy 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese
2 infantry moved from Kweichow to Hunan
1 fighter moved from Szechwan to Hunan
3 infantry moved from Szechwan to Yunnan

Combat - Chinese
Battle in Yunnan
Chinese attack with 3 infantry
Japanese defend with 1 artillery
Chinese roll dice for 3 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 0/1 hits
Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/1 hits
1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan
Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 3 : 0/1 hits
Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery in Yunnan, round 3 : 0/1 hits
Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 4 : 1/1 hits
Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery in Yunnan, round 4 : 0/1 hits
1 artillery owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan
Chinese win, taking Yunnan from Japanese with 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery
Battle in Hunan
Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
Japanese defend with 2 infantry
Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Hunan, round 2 : 1/1 hits
Japanese roll dice for 2 infantry in Hunan, round 2 : 1/1 hits
1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Hunan
Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Hunan, round 3 : 1/1 hits
Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Hunan, round 3 : 0/1 hits
1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Hunan
Chinese win, taking Hunan from Japanese with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry

Non Combat Move - Chinese
1 fighter moved from Hunan to Shensi
2 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Shensi
1 infantry moved from Shensi to Szechwan

Place Units - Chinese
4 infantry placed in Szechwan

Turn Complete - Chinese
Chinese collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUs
Objective Chinese 1 Burma Road: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 16 PUs

Purchase Units - British
British buy 1 fighter and 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
UK_Pacific buy 3 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
1 fighter moved from Malta to 97 Sea Zone
1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to 97 Sea Zone
1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to 71 Sea Zone
2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 71 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from 76 Sea Zone to Ethiopia
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Ethiopia
1 cruiser moved from 39 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
1 artillery moved from India to 39 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 79 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from West India to 79 Sea Zone
1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 79 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
1 cruiser moved from 91 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
1 submarine moved from 98 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Alexandria to Tobruk
1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Tobruk
1 artillery moved from Egypt to 98 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Egypt to 98 Sea Zone
1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 96 Sea Zone to Tobruk

Combat - British
Italians scrambles 2 units out of Southern Italy to defend against the attack in 97 Sea Zone
Battle in 97 Sea Zone
British attack with 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
Germans defend with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber; Italians defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport
British roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/1 hits
Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Italians
Italians roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/1 hits
1 destroyer owned by the British, 1 cruiser owned by the Italians, 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Germans and 1 carrier owned by the British lost in 97 Sea Zone
British roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 97 Sea Zone, round 3 : 2/1 hits
Italians roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 fighter and 1 transport in 97 Sea Zone, round 3 : 2/1 hits
1 fighter owned by the Germans, 1 cruiser owned by the British, 1 battleship owned by the Italians and 1 fighter owned by the British lost in 97 Sea Zone
1 transport owned by the Italians lost in 97 Sea Zone
British win with 1 bomber and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14
Casualties for Germans: 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
Casualties for British: 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
Casualties for Italians: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport
Battle in 96 Sea Zone
British attack with 1 cruiser, 1 submarine and 1 transport
Italians defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
British roll dice for 1 submarine in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits
British roll dice for 1 cruiser and 1 transport in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits
Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits
1 destroyer owned by the Italians lost in 96 Sea Zone
1 transport owned by the Italians lost in 96 Sea Zone
British roll dice for 1 submarine in 96 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits
British win with 1 cruiser, 1 submarine and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15
Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer and 1 transport
Battle in 106 Sea Zone
British attack with 1 destroyer
Germans defend with 1 submarine
British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 106 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits
Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 106 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits
British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 106 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits
Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 106 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits
1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in 106 Sea Zone
British win, taking 106 Sea Zone from Germans with 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine
Battle in Tobruk
British attack with 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
Italians defend with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
British roll dice for 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Tobruk, round 2 : 2/1 hits
Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Tobruk, round 2 : 2/1 hits
2 infantry owned by the Italians and 2 infantry owned by the British lost in Tobruk
British roll dice for 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Tobruk, round 3 : 2/1 hits
Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Tobruk, round 3 : 2/1 hits
1 mech_infantry owned by the Italians, 1 mech_infantry owned by the British, 1 infantry owned by the Italians and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Tobruk
British roll dice for 1 armour and 2 artilleries in Tobruk, round 4 : 1/1 hits
Italians roll dice for 1 armour and 1 artillery in Tobruk, round 4 : 1/1 hits
1 artillery owned by the Italians and 1 artillery owned by the British lost in Tobruk
British roll dice for 1 armour and 1 artillery in Tobruk, round 5 : 1/1 hits
Italians roll dice for 1 armour in Tobruk, round 5 : 1/1 hits
1 artillery owned by the British and 1 armour owned by the Italians lost in Tobruk
British win, taking Tobruk from Italians with 1 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
Casualties for British: 2 artilleries, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
Casualties for Italians: 1 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
Battle in Ethiopia
British attack with 1 artillery and 3 infantry
Italians defend with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
British roll dice for 1 cruiser in Ethiopia, round 2 : 1/1 hits
British roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Ethiopia, round 2 : 1/0 hits
Italians roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Ethiopia, round 2 : 1/0 hits
2 infantry owned by the Italians and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Ethiopia
British roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Ethiopia, round 3 : 1/1 hits
Italians roll dice for 1 artillery in Ethiopia, round 3 : 0/1 hits
1 artillery owned by the Italians lost in Ethiopia
British win, taking Ethiopia from Italians with 1 artillery and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
Casualties for British: 1 infantry
Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery and 2 infantry

Non Combat Move - British
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 80 Sea Zone to Persia
British take Persia from Neutral_Allies
1 destroyer moved from 71 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to United Kingdom
1 aaGun and 2 infantry moved from Scotland to United Kingdom
1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Ontario to Quebec
1 battleship moved from 37 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
1 fighter and 2 infantry moved from Burma to India
1 bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to Malta
1 tactical_bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to Malta

Place Units - British
1 fighter and 6 infantry placed in United Kingdom

Turn Complete - British
British collect 31 PUs; end with 31 PUs
Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 36 PUs

Place Units - UK_Pacific
3 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys placed in India

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
UK_Pacific collect 17 PUs; end with 17 PUs
Some Units in India change ownership: 3 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys

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max334

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Italians
Italians buy 1 fighter; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 95 Sea Zone
1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to 95 Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
1 artillery, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to 96 Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from Albania to Greece
1 armour moved from Albania to Greece
1 armour moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
1 submarine moved from 95 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 96 Sea Zone to Tobruk
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Libya to Tobruk
2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to Greece

Combat - Italians
Battle in Greece
Italians attack with 1 armour, 2 fighters and 2 infantry
Neutral_Allies defend with 4 infantry
Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Greece, round 2 : 2/1 hits
Neutral_Allies roll dice for 4 infantry in Greece, round 2 : 2/1 hits
2 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies and 2 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Greece
Italians roll dice for 1 armour and 2 fighters in Greece, round 3 : 2/1 hits
Neutral_Allies roll dice for 2 infantry in Greece, round 3 : 1/1 hits
2 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies and 1 armour owned by the Italians lost in Greece
Italians win with 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
Casualties for Italians: 1 armour and 2 infantry
Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 4 infantry
Battle in Yugoslavia
Italians attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry
Neutral_Allies defend with 1 infantry
Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 1/1 hits
Neutral_Allies roll dice for 1 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 1/1 hits
1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Yugoslavia
Italians win, taking Yugoslavia from Neutral_Allies with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 1 infantry
Battle in 96 Sea Zone
Italians attack with 1 bomber, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 transport
British defend with 1 cruiser, 1 submarine and 1 transport
Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits
Italians roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits
British roll dice for 1 submarine in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits
British roll dice for 1 cruiser and 1 transport in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits
1 submarine owned by the British and 1 submarine owned by the Italians lost in 96 Sea Zone
Italians roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 96 Sea Zone, round 3 : 2/1 hits
British roll dice for 1 cruiser and 1 transport in 96 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits
1 transport owned by the British and 1 cruiser owned by the British lost in 96 Sea Zone
Italians win with 1 bomber, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 19
Casualties for Italians: 1 submarine
Casualties for British: 1 cruiser, 1 submarine and 1 transport
Battle in Tobruk
Italians attack with 2 artilleries and 2 infantry
British defend with 1 armour
Italians roll dice for 2 artilleries and 2 infantry in Tobruk, round 2 : 2/1 hits
British roll dice for 1 armour in Tobruk, round 2 : 0/1 hits
1 armour owned by the British lost in Tobruk
Italians win, taking Tobruk from British with 2 artilleries and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
Casualties for British: 1 armour

Non Combat Move - Italians
Turning on Edit Mode
EDIT: Changing ownership of British Somaliland from British to Italians
EDIT: Adding units owned by Italians to British Somaliland: 1 infantry
EDIT: Removing units owned by Italians from Italian Somaliland: 1 infantry
EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Holland Belgium: 1 tactical_bomber
EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Holland Belgium: 1 fighter
EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
1 fighter moved from Greece to Southern Italy
1 fighter moved from Greece to Southern Italy
1 bomber moved from 96 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
3 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy

Place Units - Italians
1 fighter placed in Southern Italy

Turn Complete - Italians
Italians collect 11 PUs; end with 11 PUs

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weddingsinger

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - ANZAC
ANZAC buy 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - ANZAC
1 infantry moved from New South Wales to 62 Sea Zone

Non Combat Move - ANZAC
1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
ANZAC take Java from Dutch
2 fighters moved from New Zealand to Java
1 fighter moved from Queensland to Java
1 cruiser moved from 63 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
1 destroyer moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
2 aaGuns and 1 infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland
1 infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State

Place Units - ANZAC
1 transport placed in 62 Sea Zone
1 infantry placed in New South Wales

Turn Complete - ANZAC
ANZAC collect 14 PUs; end with 14 PUs

Combat Move - French
1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 93 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux

Combat - French
Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
French attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
Germans defend with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
French roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 1/1 hits
Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 1/1 hits
1 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the French lost in Normandy Bordeaux
French roll dice for 1 artillery in Normandy Bordeaux, round 3 : 0/1 hits
Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 1 artillery in Normandy Bordeaux, round 3 : 1/1 hits
1 artillery owned by the French lost in Normandy Bordeaux
Germans win with 1 armour and 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4
Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
Casualties for French: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
Battle in 96 Sea Zone
French attack with 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
Italians defend with 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 transport
French roll dice for 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits
Italians roll dice for 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits
1 destroyer owned by the Italians and 1 destroyer owned by the French lost in 96 Sea Zone
French roll dice for 1 cruiser in 96 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits
Italians roll dice for 1 cruiser and 1 transport in 96 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits
French roll dice for 1 cruiser in 96 Sea Zone, round 4 : 1/1 hits
Italians roll dice for 1 cruiser and 1 transport in 96 Sea Zone, round 4 : 1/1 hits
1 cruiser owned by the Italians and 1 cruiser owned by the French lost in 96 Sea Zone
Italians win with 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
Casualties for Italians: 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
Casualties for French: 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer

Non Combat Move - French
1 infantry moved from Algeria to Tunisia
1 infantry moved from French West Africa to French Central Africa
1 destroyer moved from 72 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - French

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max334

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 2

Research Technology - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
Germans buy 3 armour, 1 destroyer, 2 infantry and 9 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to United Kingdom
3 bombers moved from Western Germany to United Kingdom
1 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Greece
Germans take Greece from Neutral_Allies
1 artillery moved from France to Southern France
Germans take Southern France from French

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