What if I dont want to do it larrys way?

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=15031.0
third post down in the above linked thread has LH’s quote on France-Germany-Russia triangle.

The diplomatic aspect of the Nazi/Soviet relationship will be ignored in part.  Either can attack each other turn one, but what would they be able to bring to bear, that will be the question.  What will be remembered will be the ‘friendly’ relationship in terms of offensive ability on the front.  Both will be setup in defensive positions at best, but nothing too deep.  The vast expanse of Russia will be the a problem, too much ground for Russia to defend early but too much ground for Germany to reinforce quickly.
 The question will be is there enough in France to keep Germany’s attention?  Could Germany split their forces and go both directions right away?  Can they chip away France’s 3 territories over a couple turns, will moving to Moscow.  LH has mentioned about SeaLion, so it will also take UK a couple turns to mobilize to the continent.  US also will be delayed.  How much can be grabbed and as quickly as possible.  Depending on the final numbers of units involved in the setup, both may be possible, or just let the Italians take France and ignore Africa.

Anyone can take France at anytime.

If you think of it this way, Germany took territory that basically was double the size of Germany. And they were still about 100 Km from Moscow when the winter hit. Depending on how many territories Larry wants to put in between, I would say 3-6 territories in a straight shot from Berlin to Moscow. The distance is about 900 miles, so 3-6 seems like a good number, and allows Germany to be at Russia’s capital within 2 to 3 turns.

@maverick_76:

If you think of it this way, Germany took territory that basically was double the size of Germany. And they were still about 100 Km from Moscow when the winter hit. Depending on how many territories Larry wants to put in between, I would say 3-6 territories in a straight shot from Berlin to Moscow. The distance is about 900 miles, so 3-6 seems like a good number, and allows Germany to be at Russia’s capital within 2 to 3 turns.

Wouldn’t it be similar to Axis and Allies Anniversary?

Most likely.

A bigger map may include more territories

Hopefully that is the case, and now that I have looked closer at the photos for AAP40 it does look like there are many more SZ’s and territories. Hopefully that will be the case with AAE40.

I am hoping so too.

SZ is sea zones

SZ means Sea Zone :wink:

Is there an echo in here?

Puts hand to ear

@idk_iam_swiss:

So seririously I have to (assuming I am axis) take over almost all of europe. and THEN go after america? I like games where I can do a lot of different things (the 1941 scenerio in AA50 comes to mind). It just sounds so forced for the axis player…take france…then take britian…oh no! now I have to fight russia. Then comes america. I dont think poor little italy will be much help at all…

Heh is it a wargame simulation based on historical objectives after all…  I’m just wishing that different alliances/treaties could be made after all, like where Germany and Russia remain neutral and Germany with Italy can go after Britain and USA after knocking out France…  Or even better, no USA war declaration at all.  Technically, for about a year’s worth of the war from Jun 1940 to Jun 1941, Germany’s only real enemy was Britain (with minor flareups in the Balkans that delayed Barbarossa)!  The rest of WWII was declared by the Germans on Russia and the USA, so if the Germans hadn’t declared war on more than one foe at a time, there very much likely would have been a very different outcome.

I would like to see that as well, or make the game play out as if there is no way to avoid it but for the US to enter the war, say since Japan and Germany make an alliance, if Japan attacks the US then it is on! Or make a bonus for either the Russians or the Germans if they can capture and hold the Middle East oil fields, the life blood of the blitz, fuel. That would be sure to instigate conflict between the two at some point.

oops, didn’t see your reply when I posted Brain Damaged

Just to say - do not be fooled by statistics.

The reality is that due to the purges and loads of other issues the Russian army was not an effective fighting force in June 1941. By December of that year Stalin had given plenty of lee-way back to his generals (unlike Hitler who tightened his control of the army yet further). The Germans lost half there forces by mid 1942 in Russia and they were still a long way from being booted out.

@Twigley:

Just to say - do not be fooled by statistics.

The reality is that due to the purges and loads of other issues the Russian army was not an effective fighting force in June 1941. By December of that year Stalin had given plenty of lee-way back to his generals (unlike Hitler who tightened his control of the army yet further). The Germans lost half there forces by mid 1942 in Russia and they were still a long way from being booted out.

Yeah, Hitler was his own worst enemy; he was lucky throughout the majority of his career and it bred a sense of egotistical megalomania where he could do nothing wrong, which lead to his downfall in micromanaging his armies when they started encountering actual resistance in Russia.  There was this alternate history novel I read back in the day called “1945” where Hitler got put into a coma from a plane crash in Nov. 1941 and it was the best thing ever to happen to Germany, since the generals were able to regain control and set up a defensive perimeter instead of going all out for Moscow in the winter.  It was a pretty interesting read culminating in a Nazi sneak attack on the Manhattan Project in Tennessee in America, which isn’t entirely unplausible if Germany had won its war against Russia.  (This is also how I view Axis and Allies, where essentially you’re taking over control at a certain point in history where just about anything is possible.)

What I’m saying about alliances is couldn’t it be possible for Germany, Italy, AND Russia to go after Britain and the US in 1940?  Technically they were in a non-aggression pact but the US and Britain were the imperialist capitalists the Reds were eternal enemies against.  I mean, its not impossible; the Cold War proved that Allies’ alliance during WWII was just a alliance of convenience to defeat fascist Germany and Japan anyway.  Also like Germany and Japan’s alliance as the Axis powers, as their end goals would have had them squabbling over spheres of influence and control if they had taken over the world between them.  If Russia helped in taking out Britain, wouldn’t that be end game scenario right there?  (Of course, this would then end up like a big game of Risk, with Russia and Germany continually sizing up one another across Eastern Europe…)