Operation Sealion a Possibility with AA1940 Europe?

@Omega:

Except that you can only bombard once for each unit being sent. Meaning that for each ground unit, you get 1 shore bombardment.

I am still playing the original game. If that is a new rule then just bring in some extra cheap infantry.

Ah, memories of the original….I haven’t played that in years. I think it would be hard to go back to that after AAE and AAP, they really add some new dimensions to the game.

They’re all good.

@LuckyDay:

no, france didn’t start them, it was that they couldn’t win them…

why do americans dislike the french?  why is it that no one asks why the french dislike americans?  Americans are thankful for the french aide in their revolution, twas invaluable.  Nowadays, the americans are often made to feel that the rest of the world dislikes them, especially the french…   perhaps the americans are hurt that after all they did to save france from communism that they felt slighted that they have to pay to rent the land that was used for cemeteries for the soldiers fallen at Dday…?

@Funcioneta:

@LuckyDay:

of course, if you look at how Russia got a 6 month headstart getting into the war and it is 6000 km from washington dc to berlin as compared to 1400 km from moscow to berlin, and still russia only made it to berlin first by a matter of days…

Well, in fact, USSR (not Russia) could had arrived a couple of months before, maybe even more. But Stalin wanted ensure soviet influence sphere on Balkans and eastern Europe,

and Patton couldn’t have gotten there months earlier had Montgomery not gotten all of his supplies used in Market Garden…  it would have to be alot more than 6 months to make up the difference in the 3000+ kilometers…
@Funcioneta:

War in Europe was won before D-Day (soviets would win anyway alone at that date), that’s credit for soviets. But D-Day saved France from stalinism, that’s credit for USA & UK

War in Europe was far from over before Dday as a win for the Soviets.  Had Germany not had a Western Front, they could have utilized it’s factories at full capacity without American/UK bombing and resources would have headed to the East without pause.  The American supplied Soviets would have been pounded to dust even with Hitler’s neurotic commands (which would have been lessened by the lack of the Western Front).  Credit the Soviets for sucking American supply lines.

Switzerland was not impassible in ways similar to the Himalayas or the Sahara, and for those reasons I don’t see any reason it shouldn’t be as playable as Spain or Sweden…

I don’t think they meant without US/UK aid - but I do think that by D-Day the Soviets had the game in the bag. Aided by SBRs from the western allies yes - but the land invasion of France did nothing but distract an already mortally wounded Germany. If the western allies had continued their aerial attacks - but not invaded Russia would still have won.

In fact - if in 1944 the US and UK had made peace with Germany - I think Russia would still have won. Germany had lost too much by then to be replaced. Not in terms of equipment - which German factories produced in large amounts but in terms of the loss of people; both Army groups south and centre - over 2/3 of their fighting forces - and the remaining third - battered and broken and trying to plug holes which were spread over 100’s of miles of  front.

I mean, don’t get me wrong - I’m a brit. But to say that the Russians NEEDED us to invade France in 1944 is wishful thinking. They were begging us to in 1942 - and we didn’t. Then arguably it may have made a difference.

Please note: I am NOT saying the Russians won WWII in europe without the western allies. Just that by 1944 they could have.

The UK/US liberated France - because by 1944 they were already preparing for the Cold War. To pretend it was out of ‘honour’ or ‘commitment’ is fanciful.

Why did The US/UK liberate france then? if Russia could have done it by itself?

UK/US liberated France, and Invaded Italy & W. Germany to keep Russia out. They new that the new fight was going to be against Communism. Unfortunately they dropped the ball when it came to China.

america and china are allies though

Besides fighting against Japan, China was in the middle of a civil war. The Nationalist (KMT) and the Communist (CCP). The US supported the KMT with a ton of military equipment including the flying tigers through the lend lease program in WWII. The conflict took quite a toll on the KMT and left them weaker, as much of the fighting against Japan was done in KMT territory. The CCP communist grew in size and strength. Ultimately the CCP took over after the war with influence from Russia. The KMT fled mainland China to Taiwan were it still governs. I don’t really know if the US could have stopped the communist take over but it does seem like we abandoned an ally. Today we have a lot of ties with China but most of that is recent development over the last 20 years. Imagine if China was more democratic. There is also that fear of China siding with the North Koreans in an Asian conflict. I would think that China would have to much to lose economically, but who knows stranger things have happened.

Sorry got way off topic.

are you a school teacher ?

Hey Aldertag, You are off topic.

Lol Wild bill is right though.

@Adlertag:

are you a school teacher ?

Nope , went there a few years though.  :-D  There is so much info now a days via “the web”. You should try it.

Are you saying that I might be able to get all the info I need right here. :-D

thanks internet! :-D

I’m not sure there’s much help for you BD but I’ll give you +1 just for trying

@WILD:

I’m not sure there’s much help for you BD but I’ll give you +1 just for trying

Wild Bill, that is the most accurate statement you have ever made. A +1 right back at you.

and a plus one to both of you for being agreeable!

Its a Krazy Karma fest over here! +1 to Everyone! Horray!!!

@Twigley:

I don’t think they meant without US/UK aid - but I do think that by D-Day the Soviets had the game in the bag. Aided by SBRs from the western allies yes - but the land invasion of France did nothing but distract an already mortally wounded Germany. If the western allies had continued their aerial attacks - but not invaded Russia would still have won.

In fact - if in 1944 the US and UK had made peace with Germany - I think Russia would still have won. Germany had lost too much by then to be replaced. Not in terms of equipment - which German factories produced in large amounts but in terms of the loss of people; both Army groups south and centre - over 2/3 of their fighting forces - and the remaining third - battered and broken and trying to plug holes which were spread over 100’s of miles of  front.

I mean, don’t get me wrong - I’m a brit. But to say that the Russians NEEDED us to invade France in 1944 is wishful thinking. They were begging us to in 1942 - and we didn’t. Then arguably it may have made a difference.

Please note: I am NOT saying the Russians won WWII in europe without the western allies. Just that by 1944 they could have.

The UK/US liberated France - because by 1944 they were already preparing for the Cold War. To pretend it was out of ‘honour’ or ‘commitment’ is fanciful.

I know what you are saying Twigley, but to give the Soviets not DDay, but still the SBR campaign by the US/UK is huge.  Those two powers rained down destruction day and night, quite literally on Germany, forcing the Nazis to fight two sides.  If it was just the Soviet Bombers that would be different.

Had the Battle of Britain gone better for Hitler, he would have had more to throw at the Soviets to keep him on his timetable for attacking the US in 1945 and those US/UK bombings would not have thrown off his cross-Atlantic ship and aircraft production.

The landings in the North Atlantic and Italy were the Western Allies response to the Soviet’s asking for an invasion in '42 and while they were not landings into European mainland, they were direct attacks against the Axis that had to be countered by the Nazis in particular, pulling away troops and materials from the Eastern Front all the while while the SBR campaign continued to rage.

It really becomes a lot of conjecture…

Okay back to Operation Sea Lion