Sub question

@Krieghund:

It implies that they are not cargo, as they are not lost as cargo would be.

Oh, ya, I guess it does. :-)

My impression of that sentence was that it intended to speak to fighters on the deck of the carrier (which led to all that other rigamarole I asked about). Didn’t feel to me that fighters in the air in same sea zone as carrier during Combat phase would need mention of the carrier being sunk at that time. But your adjust of my focus provides clarity. Thank you, Krieghund! Your presence here makes our gaming experience better. Take care.

okay thanks.

No they don’t fight back.

@gebs99:

Thanks for the answer, i have one more questions which regards the use of submarines. Do destroyers need to be present for other units (planes, ships, artilley) to attack subs? acording to my understanding of the rules subs can attack y their move phase but remain in that sea zone sorrounded by the enemy fleet and can be attacked by all that fleet meaning it will likely be destroyed. This is why sometimes i am reluctant to use my subs. COuld some one clarify this for me please. Thanks.

:cry: I’m going to change my signature to read “Forget the other A&A games you’ve played when you play Battle of The Bulge and Guadalcanal. Don’t bring anything from the other games or you will become confused.” :lol:  :wink:

Destroyers are not required in order to attack subs.

Subs are naval units and subject to attack during the attack naval units combat step when in the same sea zone as enemy units.

Your sub shots at a single vessel amongst a big enemy fleet are quite likely to result in the destruction of your sub in the subsequent naval attack step. Subs, fighters and destroyers don’t have a long life expectancy.

:-)

See this thread for a house rule from Krieghund on subs. Linked and then copy/pasted further down.

Actually, the base that JFK operated out of was located on Rendova, south of the island of New Georgia.  I have just gotten the game, and need to look at the rules a bit more covering PT boats.  I probably will be modifying it a bit, having been in the Solomons, and flown over most of the islands.  I did not make it to Rendova, but was on Kolumbangara, Gizo, and New Georgia, when landing at the Munda air strip on the way back to Henderson Field.  I have attached three pictures that I scanned in from the trip.  The first is of the Grayscout, the ship we used in searching for PT-109, under charter to National Geographic.  The second is of the Munda air strip, which is pretty much the way it was in WW2, except that the jungle has grown back around it.  The third is of me watching sonar screens, sorting out the targets on the bottom to determine which one might be the PT-109.  Note, we did find it.

Graysct1.jpg
Munda Airstrip-2002.jpg
Sonar Stare 72 Crop.jpg

Both the Battles of the Eastern Solomons and the Santa Cruz island battles were carrier battles which were part of the Guadalcanal Campaign.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Eastern_Solomons

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Santa_Cruz_Islands

We lost the Hornet in the Santa Cruz Battle and Nagumo was relieved of his command after the fight and the Japanese lost the Ryūjō at Eastern solomons. The biggest losses were to Japanese Air Crews and these two fights basically finished off the veterans.

Well the Japanese Sub I-19 torpedoed and sunk the US Carrier Wasp operating south of the Solomons in support of the Guadalcanal campaign.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Wasp_(CV-7)

Not Sure about Subs getting sunk by Artillery… But I remember in Vietnam, at the Battle of Khe Sanh,  There were major problems with getting in any kind of air support.

The American Base at Khe Sanh was being so heavily shelled by Artillery,  that incoming aircraft were almost garunteed to be struck down by regular artillery shells.

Let’s not forget that Artillery is very versatile, and that a common combat theme in WWII (which still applies today) was to be creative.  Sometimes you just use what you gotta use to get the job done.