Western, in a KRF (Kill Russia First) as a move for the Allies tends to be a losing move…
In this circumstance I could agree. If Russia has a strong (defensively) army in the East, a Western stack in the West Europe could force Germany to split. Especially if you have 12-16 British/American units with some air force and England puts an IC in W. Europe.
OK, I had some time to look over the moves thus far with the maps….
I see some issues for the allies.
UK staying at the peripherial is not good. I think UK fell for the bait in sz7 big time. I am not sure why UK wouldn’t load 2 inf from australia on their sz40 tpt.
Also, why is there a UK tpt in sz8 and not sz7?
Or why was the new DD not added to sz8 as well?
G2, Germany can move to sz14, add some tpts and be is position to move strongly into the caucasus on G3… .without losing much (if any) tempo. Also, Africa can yield Germany lots of quick cash without any extra units
I see a G2 buy of 2 tpts, 9 inf, tank. This would enable a strong counter to an allied western europe landing UK2/US2 (inf, art could be brought back to SE from algeria)
WHY was the SZ 59 tpt not sunk? Say good bye to 6 inf in buryatia. Russia does not need a second front opened, and Japan should do just that.
Japan should land all their ftrs in range of caucasus on J2… I do not believe that Russian winter can even hold off the German attack on G3 there. Japanese fighters can reinforce the german units once they taken (or moved in unopposed).
This game is set-up for a quick(er) axis game push. US ftr buy may not be bad based on the need to get defense in the game to russia as quickly as possible.
I would definately go for cacus.
No reasons, just instinct :evil:
Here’s the situation. It is Germany 1. Russia has stacked W. Russia with 8 Infantry, 2 Artillery, 3 Armor and an AA Gun. Caucasus is empty save for the AA Gun and IC. Germany has an Infantry and Artillery unit bid to Libya.
Now, as you know, Germany CAN hit W. Russia HARD. Germany has:
Fighter, Bomber from Germany
Fighter from Norway
Fighter, Armor from E. Europe
Fighter, Armor from Balkans
3 Infantry, Artillery, Armor, Fighter from Ukraine
3 Infantry from Belorussia
Fighter from W. EuropeThat’s a large force with a lot of punch, and you won’t need all those fighters to accomplish your mission. In any event, barring really crazy dice, you’ll win with at least a tank left if you save 1 of those infnatry for Caucasus and save a fighter for Karelia (assuming Russia leaves 1 infantry there as a blitz blocker)
So which is it, leave the British fleet alone or destroy Russia’s war making potential?
Not enough information to make an informed decision. Gimme a screenshot. I can’t decipher .aam files.
Preliminary - I’d say it isn’t a straight Tank Dash to Moscow setup. Germany doesn’t have the infantry to absorb hits on G2. It’s gonna get real expensive real fast for the Axis if they Tank Dash.
England wanted to stop the fleet from being a nuisance, so I did so with as much power as I could.
Remember, on UK 1 with 1 Transport, England would be 1 Battleship, 2 Infantry vs 5 Infantry in Karelia. Not promising. And with the SZ 7 fleet and fighters, the fleet in SZ 3 or 6 would have been destroyed without massive naval purchases.
The Transport in SZ 8 is there to get the units from E. Canada.
I agree, I think 4 fighters for 2 rounds with America coupled with landings in Africa could be a significant defense. problem is, the American fighters move after Germany, so Russia cannot win, land American fighters, and hold. :(
SZ 2 was a bad choice because you cannot both get the units off E. Canada and land them in Algeria.
Enigma says you can move the units up to their maximum NCM moves. It’s treated as a NCM before Germany’s combat begins. At least the way I read it in 1.3.
By the way Jenn, why didn’t you liberate Caucasus with the british? You’re playing 9VC, right?!
And by the way,
don’t focus too much in Operation Torch (Kesselring expects it…),
next round you should need to provide substantial help to Russia to prevent Moscow from falling.
Because I liberated it with the Russians. I used the British to lock the Japanese out of India. (4 Infantry, Armor. he still got it, but he lost 3 infantry and a fighter for it.)
Meanwhile, his Japanese fleets are hopelessly spread apart facing a strong English and a strong American fleet.
Coupled with the IC in Sinkiang, hoping to push him off the mainland and take his islands while Russia and England focus on Infantry for Moscow.
please continue to post the game maps.
Jenn,
have you played (successfully) this allied strategy against this German opening?
I’ve never seen this German 1 move!
Anyway, he’s got 14 tanks on Moscow’s border.
I’m going to put the Americans in W. Europe I think, maybe S. Europe. Don’t know yet. Maybe Norway. As I just said, don’t know yet.
Here are Russia, Germany and England round 2’s since you requested map updates. I don’t have the others, but since it’s only round 2, and Japan and America havn’t had a round 2 yet, I think you can figure out what happened.
Anyway, I got pretty hosed in W. Russia. Just hoping I can get enough firepower in Russia to hold the Germans off another round and force him to consider pulling back to protect Berlin.
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If Japan attacks Sinkiang, Russia gets +4 units under their idea of the NA. (non-Aggression) so they’re in there to prevent America from losing the IC and then allowing America to come help from Sink. Same with the guys in Bury. They go up to 10 if attacked.
Anyway, no idea. Hoping I can get enough firepower to Moscow to hold hte Germans off until I can push back.
He lost those planes in Round 1 to the AA Gun in W. Russia
The opponent isn’t from these boards.
He lost fighters to AA Guns again. He’s not doing well against Russian AA Guns, and I retook both of them last round. =)
Anyway, 14 Armor against 20ish Infantry is not going to be fun to watch.
My debate, currently, is if I should strafe W. Russia or not. 5 Inf, 5 Arm if I can get out without taking it, could help. The flags were wrong for Russia, they have 24 IPC, so at least I can make 8 more infantry.
If he goes all out on G3 against Russia, and I get no hits, he has a 75% chance to clear it and have 2 bombers and a 3 fighters and an Armor left.
if I strafe W. Russia I should lose 8 Infantry and he loses 5 infantry, 3 armor.
That means I’ll ahve 9 Infantry, 3 Armor, 4 Fighters to defend against 11 Armor, 3 Fighters and 2 Bombers.
And then he’ll have a 62% chance of clearing Russia, but not taking it. (Assuming all AA Guns for my attack and his attack miss, anyway.)
Damned no matter which way I go.
The other option is to somehow get both Caucasus and W. Russia with Russian forces and block those 9 armor for one more turn.
If I go Inf/Arm to Caucasus and 8 Inf, 2 Arm, 2 Fig to W. Russia I might be able to do it. I only have about a 40.40% chance of taking W. Russia though, and that’s if the AA Gun misses.
Okay, think I have it figured out.
OOL for Russia: Bomber, Infantry, Armor, Fighters. That gives me a 62% chance to win against everything Germany can bring to bear.
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1 Inf left in Sink in case he attacks, that way it qualifies for 4 free infantry
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1 Inf left in Sink in case he attacks, that way it qualifies for 4 free infantry
The United States has “Colonial Garrison” National Advantage? I thought that was UK only…
Or are you talking non-aggression treaty? If so, doesn’t that only apply to original yellow territories?
Non-Aggression. If any Russian units are attacked, they get 4 Infantry in any red territory under the new LHTR. If any Russian territory is invaded, you get to put them anywhere you want as well, they don’t necessarily have to defend that territory anymore.
According to my reading of it.
Anyway, USA has Chinese divisions, need to keep that freebie going as long as I can.
My bad, it has to be adjacent to a Japanese controlled territory, not anywhere Russia controls.
Well, Germany attacked and luckily got spanked. Since my W. Europe forces were dead anyway, with England, I attacked S. Europe (after he retreated a transport and wounded battleship from two American transports.)
Here’s Germany 3 and England 3.
Anyway, barring anything really weird, I think the corner is turned and Russia will survive.
(the extra Russian tank is from Salvage NA.)
Anyway, end of next round, assuming an SBR by Japan that does 3 dmg, Russia should have 9 Infantry, 4 Armor, 2 Fighters and 3 American infantry and 2 british fighters to defend her from an infantry, 6 armor, 3 fighters and 2 bombers.
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He triggered non-aggression with his Japanese SBR, in case you are wondering where the infantry came from.
Germany’s still pretty tough, but most of her wind’s been knocked out of her.
2 Unfettered SBR bombers a round is gunna hurt for a LONG time.
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