So maybe it’s because I’ve been out of it for a while, but General D. Fox had me really stumped with his G1 move, which in fact is similar to something I’d been doing. The similarity is in moving the Med German fleet to Gibraltar, including the Atlantic sub, and also keeping the Luftwaffe in range of the Atlantic.
However, he combined it with the purchase of an AC in the Baltic. This meant several things:
With his position, I was essentially blocked from merging my fleet off Algeria because he had enough material in range to sink the entire allied navy, which would not be a good start.
I also couldn’t simply build a fleet in the Channel, because both his fleets could hit it. Sure, the Baltic fleet could be kept out of combat with the Russian sub, but that big Med fleet (1 SS 1 TRN 1 BB, plus 6 or 7 air units, would easily kill the UK fleet.
I’ve concluded that the best response was to build 1 AC 1 DD. I’ll have to use the Russian sub block, PLUS I’ll have to sac a US TRN off Algeria. That makes it a pretty even fight and reduces Germany to an Air-only attack on the UK fleet, which would be expensive.
(So I thought I was doing okay, but then he got killer dice in Egypt - His 1 Inf 1 Arm killed my 3 inf and 1 Ftr, while I only killed one stinking Infantry. So now I’m down a Ftr and Germany has a tank in Egypt on G2…)
So anyhow that’s how I’m responding. I’m curious if anyone has any better ideas.
I did almost that same move in my most recent game with Darth
If you want to check it out I guess go ahead …
I ended up winning the game but I also had some good dice :|
Speaking of Darth, I think his common Allied open (Joint allied Fleet in SZ8) may be a viable option against a Channel Dash.
UK1- buys 1 battleship, 2 inf
move your fleet into sz 8.
Us 1- buys 2 bombers, 1 trn,
land in london via sz 8,
1 figs to london
2 figs to canada
UK2- attack the united sz7 for one round. both will most likeluy lose 2 trns.
retreat to sz8.
US2- send your fleet, and airforce to sz 7.
this is a very risky battle and its most likely that no one will srrive. ( you can always retreat if you crippled the german navy)
the us will knock himself back for a couple of trns recouvering but it is much better than being bullyied by the germans.
I like to buy 1 sub (or trn), 1 ftr, 1 dd and move fleet to sz 8. With US I’ll buy 1 AC and 2 ftrs and move fleet to Sz 8 as well and reinforce UK.
Then smash the unified fleet with a UK/US 1-2. Typically UK can retreat with their BB and Bom (after 2 rds) and place new trns in sz 8 and begin landing troops in rd 3.
US can finish off with 2 trns (only if needed), 2 dd, 5 ftrs, and 1 bom.
I looked at merging fleets in SZ8. The trouble was that if I left SZ7 free for the taking, the next turn I’d be facing a united german fleet of:
2 TRN
3 SS
1 DD
1 AC
1 BB
2 Ftrs
Which would basically allow Germany to control the Atlantic, and force the Allies to spend a LOT of money on boats to take out the fleet before even being able to think about helping Russia.
A UK/USA 1-2 strike would still kill the German fleet… and leave both the Baltic and Med wide open to Allied advance…
@ncscswitch:
A UK/USA 1-2 strike
what does it mean
It means the UK hits the German fleet, weakens it, and then the US hits and hopefully finishes the job.
A 1-2 strike is usually necessary to destroy a well-defended territory.
In this case, I haven’t run the numbers - let’s see…
The median outcome for the UK attack on UK2 is that the UK navy is wiped out and the Germans lose 2 TRN and 1 Sub
That leaves 2 Fig, 2 Sub, 1 Des, 1 Car, 1 Bat. for the US to deal with. For that, it has 2 TRN, 2 DD, 3 Ftr 1 Bom that can be in range, and I guess the US could build 1 or 2 Bombers on US1 to prepare. I guess the US can do it with avg. 3 Bom 1 DD surviving. That’s with AVERAGE luck.
So then the Allies have no navy at all, and neither do the Germans. Trouble is that the Allies can’t even get in the game without a navy, while Germany can be quite happy without one esp. if the Allies don’t have one and there’s still a healthy luftwaffe to force the Allies to build expensive escorts for their new transports.
We’ll see how it plays out. Right now I’m more miffed about the loss of a UK fighter and the presence of a German tank in Egypt…
It means the UK hits the German fleet, weakens it, and then the US hits and hopefully finishes the job.
A 1-2 strike is usually necessary to destroy a well-defended territory.
In this case, I haven’t run the numbers - let’s see…
The median outcome for the UK attack on UK2 is that the UK navy is wiped out and the Germans lose 2 TRN and 1 Sub
That leaves 2 Fig, 2 Sub, 1 Des, 1 Car, 1 Bat. for the US to deal with. For that, it has 2 TRN, 2 DD, 3 Ftr 1 Bom that can be in range, and I guess the US could build 1 or 2 Bombers on US1 to prepare. I guess the US can do it with avg. 3 Bom 1 DD surviving. That’s with AVERAGE luck.
So then the Allies have no navy at all, and neither do the Germans. Trouble is that the Allies can’t even get in the game without a navy, while Germany can be quite happy without one esp. if the Allies don’t have one and there’s still a healthy luftwaffe to force the Allies to build expensive escorts for their new transports.
We’ll see how it plays out. Right now I’m more miffed about the loss of a UK fighter and the presence of a German tank in Egypt…
well it doesnt seem like a too good solution if you ask me, i simply dislike it
As long as UK buys 3 units to use on UK 1 they should do enough damage to G.
You kinda have to buy a DD sice Ger has subs, so I like the 1 DD, 1 sub, 1 trn. This allows UK to attack with:
2 trns, 1 sub, 1 dd, 3 ftrs, 1 bom, 1 bb
So you are looking at 4 hits to 5.
Ger loses 2 trns, 1 sub in rd 1 and UK presses on with 1 dd, 2 ftrs, 1 bom, 1 bb vs. 2 subs, 1 dd, 1 ac, 2 ftrs, 1 bb
So, 3 hits to 4.
UK retreats BB to sz 8 and places new trns there and can land in Nor on UK 3.
US cleans up 1 ac, 2 ftrs, 1 bb with 2 dd, 5 ftrs, 1 bom (if you bought 1 ac, 2 ftrs on US 1). You can even bring in the 2 trns or go right to Alg or Nor or stand pat.
Then benefit of letting them unite and then killing them is, not only do you kill both fleets in rd 2, but you also take down 2 G ftrs.
With some UK moves in the Indian ocean you can still counter Egy on UK 1 and you have enough inf in the middle east to prevent Ger from blitzing around.
Hmm. Should have thought of that. Oh well, we’ll see how my dual picket thingy works. It should keep the German fleet divided and easier to kill w/ fewer losses.
As long as UK buys 3 units to use on UK 1 they should do enough damage to G.
You kinda have to buy a DD sice Ger has subs, so I like the 1 DD, 1 sub, 1 trn. This allows UK to attack with:
2 trns, 1 sub, 1 dd, 3 ftrs, 1 bom, 1 bb
3 ftrs?
where does the 3rd ftr come from?
The UK 1 buy - 1 sub, 1 dd, 1 ftr.
As long as UK buys 3 units to use on UK 1 they should do enough damage to G.
You kinda have to buy a DD sice Ger has subs, so I like the 1 DD, 1 sub, 1 trn. This allows UK to attack with:
2 trns, 1 sub, 1 dd, 3 ftrs, 1 bom, 1 bb
I don’t see a ftr as part of your buy
are you advocating 1 DD, 1 ftr, 1 trn/sub ?
I like to buy 1 sub (or trn), 1 ftr, 1 dd and move fleet to sz 8. With US I’ll buy 1 AC and 2 ftrs and move fleet to Sz 8 as well and reinforce UK.
Then smash the unified fleet with a UK/US 1-2. Typically UK can retreat with their BB and Bom (after 2 rds) and place new trns in sz 8 and begin landing troops in rd 3.
US can finish off with 2 trns (only if needed), 2 dd, 5 ftrs, and 1 bom.
Opps, there it is, early in the thread. my bad.
I didn’t realize my G1 opening worried Dan so much he needed to start up a thread about what he should do. I’m flattered. :-D :mrgreen:
I hadn’t encountered it before, so I was really stumped. I think it’s a strong opening, that’s for sure.
I hadn’t encountered it before, so I was really stumped. I think it’s a strong opening, that’s for sure.
Didjoo land Russian fighters in Moscow at end of R1?
I hadn’t encountered it before, so I was really stumped. I think it’s a strong opening, that’s for sure.
Didjoo land Russian fighters in Moscow at end of R1?
Can’t recall - why? I think I usually land them in Caucasus though.
