We should not attack Iraq

@Jazz:

Yanny said:

The US could care less if the UN existed or not.

THANK YOU YANNY! I am tired of a bunch of 3rd world mobsters condeming American and Israeli actions as they try to take my 2nd amendment rights.

We should all be thankful that the U.N. has no real power. The day they get real power is the day the 3rd world dictators have mor power than us.

AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHEMMMMMMMM

when i said…… “US independace day… who cares?” i got massively attacked here…

and this stands uncommented?

The day the USA is gone I am going to dance a jig.

should be enough… even though it’s not totally true…

@F_alk:

LEARN TO READ !!!
Or ask CC to help you with your language, as he is eager to help us germans :) :)

ahem.
not true.
willing to help - true.
eager - false.

F_alk said:

and this stands uncommented?

Yup, looks like it. I would think there would be people on this board who agree with me.

F_alk said:
The day the USA is gone I am going to dance a jig.

Now i find that mean and disturbing. I dont have a problem with the nations of the world. Just the United Nations the organization. I dont wish the countries to no longer be.

I do suppose that is the difference between conservatism and socialism or liberalism. We actually care.

@Jazz:

Yanny said:

The US could care less if the UN existed or not.

THANK YOU YANNY! I am tired of a bunch of 3rd world mobsters condeming American and Israeli actions as they try to take my 2nd amendment rights.

We should all be thankful that the U.N. has no real power. The day they get real power is the day the 3rd world dictators have mor power than us.

I don’t think I’ll comment on this; I can’t change conservative’s minds, they are beyond my help. And we all know what that means: Yes! the world is doomed!

Well to be fair I dont think that i represent all the conservatives when i said what i did about the U.N. Although I like to think that there are those who would agree with me.

But Bossk, to say the world is doomed just because of one crazy guys opinion (i.e. me lol) is just plain cookie.

But i do enjoy talking on the forums. Good form all.

I don’t like the U.N. the U.N. hates my religion and my country. It conducts “emergency mettings” to discuss the situation in Israel. God forbid that it condut an emergency meeting to discuss the Chinese occupations of Sinkiang, Tibet and Manchuria. That would mean that it’s a fair body, and that can’t be rue.

Thats the style emu. Glad to know I am not alone.

Yes, funny how they claim that Israel’s occupation of the West Bank and Gaza are the longest in history, that’s 35 years when China has been occupying tibet for at least 50. Russia is currently occupying Chechnya, and the U.N. doesn’t seem to care. Nor do they seem to care about Morocco occupying Western Sahara. It’s Israel that matters because it’s the Jewish state.

@EmuGod:

Yes, funny how they claim that Israel’s occupation of the West Bank and Gaza are the longest in history, that’s 35 years when China has been occupying tibet for at least 50. Russia is currently occupying Chechnya, and the U.N. doesn’t seem to care. Nor do they seem to care about Morocco occupying Western Sahara. It’s Israel that matters because it’s the Jewish state.

I agree with you, but i take it another step further. Not only has the western world looked the other way on China and Russia, however it bombed Serbia for its acts within its borders. Although i am strongly against the regime Molosovich had established, the western world acts as school-yard bullies in dealing with countries like Iraq and Serbia. These are relatively small countries that may be pushed around when it is in the interests of the US and Canada and much of Europe (Serbia - stability, Iraq - oil concerns), and yet China and Russia who practice daily acts of terrorism on other what-should-be sovereign nations are catered too in order to curry trading “favor” while their own outrageous acts are ignored. And yes Emugod - i agree that the UN overstepped its mandate in the meeting you are referring too (was it in South Africa? i can not remember the precise connection).
that’s enough of a rant for me.
my point - we try a little too often in the west to impose our “morality” which is too often a thinly veiled, often hypocritical way of pushing our weight around in our own best interests.

I’m not even a Jew and I took offence to that. But enlighten us Yanny, what are the many reasons to dislike Israel?

I actually support the attack on Iraq because I feel he is capable of lots of trouble. In Israel they have started Small Pox vaccinations just in case. I think he has to be removed from power for the safety of the entire region and even the world.

I belive you are referring to the meeting in Durban, South Africa but that was only one “emergency meeting” of many. It isn’t just the UN, it’s embedded in Christian culture. After the Holocaust, the anti-semitic beliefs were removed from the Church but I believe that Anti-semitism is still subconsciously still in Christian culture due to the thousands of years of hate toward Jews.

@Yanny:

Israel, oh there are many reasons. Heres just a sampling.

1. The Israelis violate more UN resolutions than even the Us.
2. The Israelis have been occupying parts of 4 countries over 30 years.
3. The Israelis waste more of my tax dollars than any other country.
4. If Israel wouldn’t be there, the Twin Towers would.
5. Israel practically has our Goverment under it’s control. I suspect Blackmail.
6. Israel is ultra-conservative. I hate conservatives.
7. Israel is a Theocracy.
8. Israel killed a great friend of mine.

This is clearly an upsetting topic for you given point number “8” and i can understand someone hating (for a while) in this circumstance.
as for parts 1-7 there are too many reasons why this is bizaare and ridiculous.

1. If it’s true, then Big Deal. They are worse than the US (and still “better” than many other countries). The US has violated more UN resolutions than even Canada has - is that a good reason to hate them?
2. I"m sure the US has occupied more countries than that for a lot longer. As well Britain, France, etc. Also where is the line drawn between “occupy” and “habitate”?
3. Big deal. One country has to “waste” (depending on your definition of waste) more tax dollars than any other - why not a very young, fledgling nation that has had all of its surrounding neighbours threaten, attack, and terroize it over and over again in its short history?
4. If Afghanistan, or almost any other country did not exist then the twin towers might still exist. Even Canada might be blamed in some way by some person.
5. How ridiculous. I guess Kissinger had pix of Nixon sodomizing a young boy too. Israel has no more control over the US than China, Russia, Canada, or any number of other countries
6. A large part of the US is ultra-conservative. You must deal with this whole “hate” thing.
7. Big deal. George Bush is the president of America - no government system is perfect. Also people who tend to rule Israel tend to be elected and tend to be very good (minimally appropriately) at thier jobs - not simply religious figures.
8. I’m very sorry about the loss of your friend. Death under nearly any circumstance, especially at the hands of an organization/government , is certainly tragic

Well no there is no reason to hate israrel, it’s not like religion, they do not spread lies everywhere just to feel good.

I have only one real friction with the jew and it’s their tendency to call “anti-semitic” every critic. In germany there a Social-democrat that was called anti-semitic, and if you read what he say you will know he is not. Same thing goes in Quebec (the family of my girlfriend live there), some independentist are accused of anti-semitism for no reason… there is paranoia somewhere… European leader are not anti-semitic, but as some does not support israel they are call anti-semitic…

I don’t think they are right with the palestinian, surely i am not for the Hamas but they destroy so much, so much children cannot get education and how many palestinian were killed for some poor religious fanatic… Sharon is even worst than Arafat.

Also you are right that some euro-jew have contributed a lot for science, not “unmatched contribution” but still a great one…

@Yanny:

Israel, oh there are many reasons. Heres just a sampling.

1. The Israelis violate more UN resolutions than even the Us.
2. The Israelis have been occupying parts of 4 countries over 30 years.
3. The Israelis waste more of my tax dollars than any other country.
4. If Israel wouldn’t be there, the Twin Towers would.
5. Israel practically has our Goverment under it’s control. I suspect Blackmail.
6. Israel is ultra-conservative. I hate conservatives.
7. Israel is a Theocracy.
8. Israel killed a great friend of mine.

1. When the body that is supposed to settle disputed ina fair way is biased, I dont think you will listen to them. Besides, the UN has no real power.

2. I do not see what 4 countries you are referring to? Gaza was part of Egypt, the West Bank part of Jordan and the Goland Heights part of Syria. Thatmakes 3 countries and two of them have signed peace with Israel, therefore accepting Israeli control of these areas. So that leaves the Golan Heights with Syria, which is still under hot dispute. Also, Israel have overall returned about 95% of the land it has captued in DEFENSIVE combat.

3. I do not believe it is wasting money to help out countries. Helping Africa isn’t a waste of money, so why is this wasting it?

4. The Twin Towers was a disaster waiting to happen, with or without Israel. You;re playing “would’ve, should’ve, could’ve” history and we will never know what would have happened so your reasoning is flawed.

5. Israel doesn’t control the United States government, that one of the worst conspiracy theories I’ve heard of.

6. Ultra-conservative? Not really. The people are very polarizedi n the political spectrum there.

7. Israel is a Democracy and is not exactly a theocracy. It is not secular eithe, but rather somewhere in between. I do not see what is so bad about being a theocracy. Democracy isn’t a perfect system either. As Winston Churchill once put it, “The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”

8. I’m sorry for the loss of your friend, but I know for a fact that the IDF didn’t see him and say, “well look at this person. He’s Yanny’s friend so we should kill him/her.” Your friend died in the crossfire, which is very unfortunate but it happens. I feel horrible that this happened to you, but it is no reason to blame a whole country for. I don’t hate Palestinians even though I knew a person who died in a suicide bombing. A friend of mine lots his cousin in a terrorist attack and he doesn’t hate the Palestinians nor any other Arabs. The IDF, unlike the Palestinians and other armies, have very specific rules about when their soldiers can fire agaisnt the enemy targets. If your friend was in the way, then it is horrilbe but these things do happen in war. It shows you the horrible effects of wars, but you don’t blame a country and hate it for accidently killing a friend of yours.

@Yanny:

Lebanon/Egypt/Syria/Jorden (not counting Palestine here)

#5 is more of my speculation. In the first few weeks when Israel invaded Ramallaah and kept Arafat stuck in his compound, President Busch was being odd. Every few hours he would change his opinion, at first being very very strong against the Israelis, then the next day doing a complete 180 and being tough verse Arafat. Eventually he just ignored Arafat (while he was stuck in his compound, unable to do anything) and sided with Israel.

We do not give anything Israel citizens need to survive to Israel. We give them 3 billion in weapons.

If we had not been involved so heavily with Israel, the terrorists would never of attacked us.

It says a lot about Israelis if they elected Sharon. Hell, they had a Prime Minister lobby for peace!! And they impeached him (or whatever the Israeli word for that is).

I have nothing against the Israeli people. I don’t think you should pack up and leave. But your just inviting violence by occupying the West Bank, Golan Heights, and Gaza Strip. Yes, its a military occupation. A dictatorship over a smaller country.

Sharon is for peace, it’s simply his method of achieving peace that is different from Barak’s. Also, you are making it sound like Sharon is like hte President of the United States in that he makes all the decisions. He does not. He has to make them with the Israle parliament, and they have threatened to break down his coalition government several times and may actually do so if he is not careful with his policies. The occupation of the West Bank, Faza, and the Golan Heighets could have been settled back in 1967, if the Arabs had wanted to negotiate. Also, the Palestinians dont just want those areas, but rather the entire land for themselves. By the way, there are no problems with the Palestinians in the Golan Heights. It’s the Syrians who want the Golan Heights back, but they refuse to negotiate until Israel unilaterally withdraws, which is not possible, especially not after what the results were iin Lebanon.

Osama and the terrorists that are attacking the United States are attacking it for a somewhat different reason than Israel. THey are attacking America for appearing to want to be imperialistic in the Middle East, for actions in the Gulf War specifically. These Arabs despise capitalism, because America is rich and has left the Arab countries poor. That’s why the attack was on the World Trade Centre. It represented America’s capitalistic economy and that’s what Bin Laden wanted to destroy.