3 submarines = 1 battleship ?%%????

It is when compared to an alternative of a loaded flattop. An Aircraft Carrier actually costs less, but after the worthy additional expense of loading it with fighters it is exponantially more worthy of being purchased. The only outside influence a Battleship has is the single shot inland in an aphibious assult. A carrier defends nearly as well alone but has the potential of defending nearly 3 times as good loaded. And the your fighters will be worth so much more with the added mobility and getting them to the battle. While a battleship is condemned to the seas, the truely expensive aspect of a flattop (the fighters) are not, and can then serve wherever best is a thorn in your opponents side, land or sea.

Personally, while I do enjoy the battleships I begin with, I just don’t see the use in ever buying more, unless I have just tons of cash and the game is basicly already won.

Basicly, at any time, ANY time a battleship is being concidered as a purchase it would be better to get a carrier. I cannot fathom an exeption. At all.

@TheJediCharles:

It is when compared to an alternative of a loaded flattop. An Aircraft Carrier actually costs less, but after the worthy additional expense of loading it with fighters it is exponantially more worthy of being purchased. The only outside influence a Battleship has is the single shot inland in an aphibious assult. A carrier defends nearly as well alone but has the potential of defending nearly 3 times as good loaded. And the your fighters will be worth so much more with the added mobility and getting them to the battle. While a battleship is condemned to the seas, the truely expensive aspect of a flattop (the fighters) are not, and can then serve wherever best is a thorn in your opponents side, land or sea.

Personally, while I do enjoy the battleships I begin with, I just don’t see the use in ever buying more, unless I have just tons of cash and the game is basicly already won.

Basicly, at any time, ANY time a battleship is being concidered as a purchase it would be better to get a carrier. I cannot fathom an exeption. At all.

I see what you mean about the AC and fighters, however that is more expensive after all is said and done. You can’t drop a AC with 2 fighters on any one turn.

For offensive purposes, a battleship is a must. An AC attacking 1 is going to cut it.

In saying that, I would have to agree that over all, a fully loaded AC is better that 1-2 BBs.

I see what you mean about the AC and fighters, however that is more expensive after all is said and done. You can’t drop a AC with 2 fighters on any one turn.

You’re right. VERY much more expensive. But, while a loaded carrier is a bit less than twice the price it’s about 10 times as versitle and 3 times as accepting of damage.

Also, sometimes you can load them. Can’t you drop American fighters on a fresh U.K. carrier before Germany’s turn?

For offensive purposes, a battleship is a must. An AC attacking 1 is going to cut it.

A ‘great thing’, yes. I agree. A ‘must’, well, as long as I already have one. You won’t catch me buying one.

In saying that, I would have to agree that over all, a fully loaded AC is better that 1-2 BBs.

Yea. Just remember how useless they become when your opponent sort of gives up on the seas, while you can unload your carriers and use them elsewhere.

I see we mostly agree on the subject, but I’ve made it pretty much a rule to never buy them. And if I see an opponent acting like they want to, I’ll try to save a spoiled game by saying “aawww, man don’t do THAT. I don’t want to win because you screwed up. I wanna win 'cause I’m da besssss!”

he he he

Also, sometimes you can load them. Can’t you drop American fighters on a fresh U.K. carrier before Germany’s turn?

You can do that.

I think we do agree except I still can see a U.S. player or a U.K player buying a BB’s and not losing the game.

@TheJediCharles:

Well, looking at the problems associated with battleships in the game explains a lot as to why WWII saw the beginning of the end of the age of the battleship. That’s not to say that there were no new battleships constructed or used effectively, but their faults were becoming apparent. While they were great for specialized purposes and brute force, it was effectively too much power limited to too few items.

For now, this statement would be correct, but who knows what the future will hold? After WWII, the main assumption was that BBs were outdated and that carriers could easily take their place. And this statement was largely correct. However, what many people fail to realize is that as technology progresses, that doesn’t mean that BBs will become even more outdated. Lets take the development of the cruise missile for instance. Suddenly, this weapon from a “new age of warfare” gave the battleship a new lease at life. Suddenly, the USS Missouri (a WWII era BB mind you) was taken out of mothballs and used in Operation Desert Storm not so many years ago. Other developments helped too. The Phalanx AA guns made BBs much less susceptible to the omnipresent threat of fighter planes. And if for nothing else, BBs are the definitive answer to shore bombardment. So who knows what the future may hold? Heck, with the development of “rail guns,” you might see such “advanced” weapons mounted on the BB’s gun platforms and rekindle the spirit of the awesome presence of the battleship!

but who knows what the future will hold?

Well, it seems that the examples you cited would basicly be just referring to ‘large ships’, little different than ‘launching platforms’ and not the thing that comes to our collective mind’s-eye when hearing the term ‘battleship’. I can see many possibilities, actually PRObibilities, that large ships may be needed in grand numbers again, but never again for the exact applications of the ones that went extict in our recent past. Big ships will need to have reasons to exist far more important than just ‘big guns’… or respectful nostalgia. And the ones that will be built, like you point out, will probably not have big guns on them at all, really.

But, like you say, who knows?

“Well, it seems that the examples you cited would basicly be just referring to ‘large ships’, little different than ‘launching platforms’ and not the thing that comes to our collective mind’s-eye when hearing the term ‘battleship’.”

Well I don’t expect BB’s to be used in the exact same applications from before (ie face to face combat). But with rail guns, it might very well bring back the term “big guns,” with combat occuring hundreds of miles away. Remember, all it takes is one ship (ex. the dreadnought) to change the whole face of naval warfare.

The jedi seems to be very level-headed. :wink: 'Nuff sed.

I side with Sir JediCharles. The era of the battleship has long since faded with dawn of the aircraft. Submarines and Pegasus-Class Boats are the wave of the future. Both are hard to detect, and can be mass produced in greater quantities in the same amount of time to construct one battleship. On the drawing boards, some engineers are looking to combine the abilities of an aircraft carrier with the underwater qualities of a submarine.

@TM:

I side with Sir JediCharles. The era of the battleship has long since faded with dawn of the aircraft. Submarines and Pegasus-Class Boats are the wave of the future. Both are hard to detect, and can be mass produced in greater quantities in the same amount of time to construct one battleship. On the drawing boards, some engineers are looking to combine the abilities of an aircraft carrier with the underwater qualities of a submarine.

I would rather die than see a world without any more battleships!! :o You see, battleships weren’t meant to be “mass produced” in large quantities, battleships were works of art, specially crafted and perfected to be the ultimate battle station. Sure smaller craft could be used in many of the same situations (ie protecting convoys), but the mere presence of a battleship as part of a “peacekeeping force” or on a “diplomatic mission” warrants it. Also, BB’s weren’t meant to be “hard to detect.” They were the meanest soon of a guns and they didn’t care about “being spotted.” Yeah, try going up against an Iowa class’s massive 16-inch rifles, 17-inches of armored plating, and host of other anti-aircraft and anti-ship capabilities. I would gladly command a battleship, any time, any place.

:lol:

Intresting, maybe I’ll try this myself (though there is hardly a time where the UK Navy is not completely wiped out on the first turn)

There sure are some cool folks around here and provide some great reading.

How should I be surprised? We’re all A&A fans!!!

:D

This situation arises when the UK still owns its 2 original battleships. By purchasing a third battleship,…

Well, not if I’m Germany with rolls worth a darn. If so, I’ll not let the sun set on my turn unless those 2 battleships of UK are gone.

he he he

@TG:

I would rather die than see a world without any more battleships!! :o

I’m not realy a big navy guy, I don’t know of any battleships that are still in service. I belive all the Iowa class ships are museums or mothball store houses. Does britain still use them?

The newest Canadian battleship on loan to the Coast Guard for testing.

http://www.funnyjunk.com/redir.php?pic/0513.jpg

@dezrtfish:

The newest Canadian battleship on loan to the Coast Guard for testing.

http://www.funnyjunk.com/redir.php?pic/0513.jpg

Hey, thats a bit of an exaggeration, its too big.

“The newest Canadian battleship on loan to the Coast Guard for testing”

That has to be the funniest pic I’ve seen in a long while! :D

But to answer the question, USA is the only navy to have BB’s ready for activation, though all 4 are not in service and have been in moth balls. But it the heightening of tensions in the 1980’s Cold War showed us anything, you may one day see our mighty Battleships back in service :wink:

@Mr:

@dezrtfish:

The newest Canadian battleship on loan to the Coast Guard for testing.

http://www.funnyjunk.com/redir.php?pic/0513.jpg

Hey, thats a bit of an exaggeration, its too big.

i also don’t recall our battleships having so many powerful weapons and so much armor. It really is a little much.

but of course its canada, whatcha expect. a powerhouse like canada has to hae a few good ships :wink: