Anti-Balistic-Missile-Defense

@TG:

Nah, I think the “joy” of having that crown belongs to Great Britain :wink: or maybe, Germany.

Well, Germany only was a “small player” in global imperialism. started late (about 1880ish) and lost all colonies before 1919, plus never had more than a handful.
I’d say, worldwide the britsh deserve that crown, and for Africa it’s France (even though most of their empire there was desert).

Well their Imperialistic intentions didn’t materialize until after industrialization and when the country was somewhat unified. But given time and a large navy (in order to defend their processions), who knows?

i sure as hell Dont! :)

@Yanny:

And I would say, your American Goverment has killed it’s own, indiginous, people. It has used Chemical, Biological, and Nuclear weapons. Your country just has bigger guns and can rule through force.

No, our country rules through smart decisions that benefit it’s people. Unlike Saddam, who rules through personal decisions that further his own political status.

@F_alk:

@TG:

Nah, I think the “joy” of having that crown belongs to Great Britain :wink: or maybe, Germany.

Well, Germany only was a “small player” in global imperialism. started late (about 1880ish) and lost all colonies before 1919, plus never had more than a handful.
I’d say, worldwide the britsh deserve that crown, and for Africa it’s France (even though most of their empire there was desert).

of course we are being quite recent here. Portugal and Spain carved up the world together well before the 17th century. And let’s not forget the Dutch who had their little empire as well. We might well give Britain the crown for imperialism, for there was more of the world available to consider an empire. When Spain and Portugal were wreaking havoc, i would guess that they had a relatively larger piece of the (known) pie.
And let’s not forget America’s (McKinnley) turn at Imperialism as well as that whole “manifest destiny thing” - “God Damn the U.S. for its vile conduct in teh Philippine Isles” - William James (he might have added Guam, Cuba, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, America Samoa . . . ).

Oh, so if Congress decides to commit genocide, its OK.

Where is that coming from? I fail to see the correlation between the two. Why are you taking the decisions of our country to such extremes as genocide?

@Deviant:Scripter:

@Yanny:

And I would say, your American Goverment has killed it’s own, indiginous, people. It has used Chemical, Biological, and Nuclear weapons. Your country just has bigger guns and can rule through force.

No, our country rules through smart decisions that benefit it’s people. Unlike Saddam, who rules through personal decisions that further his own political status.

@Yanny:

Oh, so if Congress decides to commit genocide, its OK.

@Deviant:Scripter:

Where is that coming from? I fail to see the correlation between the two. Why are you taking the decisions of our country to such extremes as genocide?

You replied that your country rules through smart decisions, when Yanny mentioned the american genocide.
And now you complain that there is no correlation?
Why did you post you message in the first place then, if you can’t see a correlation.
You called the genocide a “smart decision” …. that’s the reason for Yannies second posting…

just another one to add to my shouting at you. I will apologize for the shouting in the other thread if you promise to read postings more carefully :)

My point is our country is too quick to yell at others for minor Genocide that is occuring everywhere. Normally, I would support this, but theres one problem. We never even mention the millions of our own people that we have killed. How about a national day of mourning for the Indians? All we do are grant them land in some of the worst places in the country. And forget about them.

@F__alk:

@Deviant:Scripter:

@Yanny:

And I would say, your American Goverment has killed it’s own, indiginous, people. It has used Chemical, Biological, and Nuclear weapons. Your country just has bigger guns and can rule through force.

No, our country rules through smart decisions that benefit it’s people. Unlike Saddam, who rules through personal decisions that further his own political status.

@Yanny:

Oh, so if Congress decides to commit genocide, its OK.

@Deviant:Scripter:

Where is that coming from? I fail to see the correlation between the two. Why are you taking the decisions of our country to such extremes as genocide?

You replied that your country rules through smart decisions, when Yanny mentioned the american genocide.
And now you complain that there is no correlation?
Why did you post you message in the first place then, if you can’t see a correlation.
You called the genocide a “smart decision” …. that’s the reason for Yannies second posting…

just another one to add to my shouting at you. I will apologize for the shouting in the other thread if you promise to read postings more carefully :)

Hehe, don’t worry about it F_alk, I can take the pressure… :wink:

@Yanny:

My point is our country is too quick to yell at others for minor Genocide that is occuring everywhere. Normally, I would support this, but theres one problem. We never even mention the millions of our own people that we have killed. How about a national day of mourning for the Indians? All we do are grant them land in some of the worst places in the country. And forget about them.

Oh geez, I knew someone was going to play the Indian card. Maybe we should clarify the position of Native Americans. Unlike other minority groups (such as Latinos and blacks), American Indians are considered (by our Federal government) to be a political group. This means that they are treated as such. Now, please explain to me why we owe the Indians anything…? When we fought the Indians off of their land, they were our enemy. Do we have a national day of mourning for Hiroshima? How about Nagasaki? Having a national day of mourning for our former enemies doesn’t make any sense. :-?

The Indian card, as you call it, is an important part of our nation’s history. We cheated them out of their land, playing to their misunderstanding of western government. For generations, they lived in the worst pits of the nation. They were killed, even the non combatants. We are entirely to blame, and I think we should make up for that. Even recently, dating back before WWII, we were teaching Indians to ignore their culture. Only recent political reforms brought the change that was needed.

Yanni, do you believe African-American’s should be compensated for being our slaves for so many years?

I believe anyone who was abused (for lack of a better word) by Goverment officals because they are Black (or any other race for that matter) during their lifetime should be compensated. However, something that happened 150 years ago to my Great Great Grandfather doesn’t matter.

So… compensate for those abused during the 70s and 60s, not the 1870s and 1860s.

@Yanny:

I believe anyone who was abused (for lack of a better word) by Goverment officals because they are Black (or any other race for that matter) during their lifetime should be compensated. However, something that happened 150 years ago to my Great Great Grandfather doesn’t matter.

So… compensate for those abused during the 70s and 60s, not the 1870s and 1860s.

How do you prove if a black person has been abused?

I’ve never abused a black person, why should I pay for something other people did now or 150 years ago?

@Mr:

@Yanny:

I believe anyone who was abused (for lack of a better word) by Goverment officals because they are Black (or any other race for that matter) during their lifetime should be compensated. However, something that happened 150 years ago to my Great Great Grandfather doesn’t matter.

So… compensate for those abused during the 70s and 60s, not the 1870s and 1860s.

How do you prove if a black person has been abused?

I’ve never abused a black person, why should I pay for something other people did now or 150 years ago?

this of course hearkens to the church-run schools abuses in Canada as well - where Anglican churches and the federal government are sued by natives who have “suffered” at the hands of these institutions.
The thing is, when your governement is being sued for faults (see wrongly convicted Thomas Sophenow) - the Canadian people are being sued at the same time, regardless of whether they voted for this government or had anything to do with the problems created by said government.
(I bring up the Anglican Church thing as many Anglican churches today might well say “well we had nothing to do with these occurrances, why should our adherents suffer?”)

People can prove they were attacked by Fire Hoses or Police Dogs during a peaceful march. People can prove they lived in a state where laws prohibited them from going into a public building.

u know somthin yanny. u have just bin branded as a Leftist Radical in my Mind. im very sry to hear that, but just remember ull change one day and if u dont, nobodies perfect ;)

And your a crazy rightest Nazi… who talks to stuffed dogs.

I only seem extremely left because those who argue with me in this forum are extremely right.

Please define “extream right”. I am curious as to how you see it.

We’re friends ) Its hard to describe Mike. Lets just say he’d make a strange cartoon character.