VF (Germany) vs. Ragnell (Allies) | Original Europe with TGC balance, Game 10


  • @Ragnell804

    Just wondering - it says here you removed the US bomber from Leningrad but I don’t see it being added in again.

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  • @VictoryFirst

    I did a combat in the Baltic States but I didnt save before I closed out. The move killed my bomber so I had to go back in and edit it out when I re-opened the file.


  • In that case this changes too:

    Allied3
    Eastern Front: -9.49 / +10
    Atlantic/WA: -31.75 / +9
    Africa/Med: +0.68 / -1
    Total: -40.56 / +18

    So now it’s a bit less terrible lol


  • TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 4

    TripleA Turn Summary for game: Europe Improved

    Game History

    Round: 4
    
        Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 2 armour and 12 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Germans
            5 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
            2 fighters moved from Finland to Karelia
            3 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Bessarabia to East Poland
            6 armour, 3 artilleries and 35 infantry moved from Poland to East Poland
            1 infantry moved from Baltic States to East Poland
            8 armour moved from Germany to East Poland
    
        Combat - Germans
            Battle in Karelia
                Germans attack with 2 fighters and 5 infantry
                Russians defend with 3 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 2 fighters and 5 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 1/7 hits, 1,83 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 3 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Karelia
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Karelia
                    Germans roll dice for 2 fighters and 4 infantry in Karelia, round 3 : 3/6 hits, 1,67 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Karelia, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                    2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Karelia
                Germans win, taking Karelia from Russians with 2 fighters and 4 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 3 infantry
            Battle in East Poland
                Germans attack with 14 armour, 6 artilleries and 40 infantry
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 14 armour, 6 artilleries and 40 infantry in East Poland, round 2 : 16/60 hits, 16,67 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in East Poland, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in East Poland
                Germans win, taking East Poland from Russians with 14 armour, 6 artilleries and 40 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
    
        Non Combat Move - Germans
            1 aaGun moved from Poland to East Poland
            2 fighters moved from Karelia to Germany
    
        Place Units - Germans
            2 armour and 12 infantry placed in Germany
    
        Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 33 PUs; end with 33 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Russians regular : -1,00
    Germans regular : -0,17
    

    Savegame


  • TUV Differential / Net TUV Round 3
    After G3
    Eastern Front: +5.26 / +47
    Atlantic/WA: +22.98 / +39
    Africa/Med: +0.50 / +12
    Total: +28.74 / +98
    After Allied3
    Eastern Front: +5.26 / +47
    Atlantic/WA: +31.38 / +39
    Africa/Med: +0.50 / +12
    Total: +37.14 / +98

    Lol note how different these numbers are compared to our last game, it’s incredible.


  • @VictoryFirst

    Game History

    Round: 4
    
        Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Russians
            2 infantry moved from Leningrad to Karelia
            2 armour moved from Belorussia to Karelia
            4 armour moved from Leningrad to Karelia
            1 bomber moved from Leningrad to Karelia
            1 fighter moved from Leningrad to Karelia
            1 infantry moved from Leningrad to Baltic States
                  Russians take Baltic States from Germans
    
        Combat - Russians
            Battle in Karelia
                Russians attack with 6 armour, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                Germans defend with 4 infantry
                    Russians roll dice for 6 armour, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 5/10 hits, 4.50 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 4 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                    2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Karelia
                    4 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Karelia
                Russians win, taking Karelia from Germans with 6 armour, 1 bomber and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
                Casualties for Germans: 4 infantry
    
        Non Combat Move - Russians
            3 infantry moved from Leningrad to Russia
            1 aaGun moved from Leningrad to Russia
            3 artilleries and 26 infantry moved from Belorussia to Russia
            1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Karelia to Moscow
            1 aaGun moved from Stalingrad to Ukraine S.S.R.
    
        Place Units - Russians
            7 infantry placed in Moscow
    
        Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 23 PUs; end with 23 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Germans regular : 0.67
    Russians regular : 0.50
    

  • @VictoryFirst

    Game History

    Round: 4
    
        Purchase Units - British
            British buy 2 artilleries, 8 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - British
            1 infantry moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Rumania
                  British take Rumania from Germans
            1 transport moved from Central Mediterranean Sea Zone to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Tunisia to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone
            1 armour and 1 transport moved from Sicilian Sea Sea Zone to Western Mediterranean Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Western Mediterranean Sea Zone to Vichy France
                  British take Vichy France from Germans
            1 infantry moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Eastern France
                  British take Eastern France from Germans
            1 armour moved from United Kingdom to English Channel Sea Zone
            1 armour and 1 transport moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Norwegian Sea Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Norwegian Sea Sea Zone to Norway
                  British take Norway from Germans
            1 artillery moved from Greece to Yugoslavia
                  British take Yugoslavia from Germans
    
        Combat - British
    
        Non Combat Move - British
            1 transport moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone
            3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from United Kingdom to English Channel Sea Zone
            3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Netherlands-Belgium
            1 destroyer moved from Western Mediterranean Sea Zone to Azores Sea Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Stalingrad
            1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Turkestan
            1 bomber and 2 fighters moved from Leningrad to Karelia
            1 armour moved from Tunisia to Morocco
    
        Place Units - British
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Netherlands-Belgium: 1 aaGun
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to English Channel Sea Zone: 1 transport
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Celtic Sea Sea Zone: 1 aaGun
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Celtic Sea Sea Zone: 2 transports
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Celtic Sea Sea Zone: 1 transport
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Celtic Sea Sea Zone: 2 transports
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            2 artilleries and 8 infantry placed in United Kingdom
            1 transport placed in English Channel Sea Zone
    
        Turn Complete - British
            British collect 39 PUs; end with 39 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :


  • @VictoryFirst

    Game History

    Round: 4
    
        Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 3 artilleries, 3 infantry and 3 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Non Combat Move - Americans
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from United Kingdom to English Channel Sea Zone
            2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from United Kingdom to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
            2 artilleries, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from France to Vichy France
            3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Netherlands-Belgium
            6 artilleries moved from United States to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
            6 artilleries and 3 transports moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
            6 artilleries moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to United Kingdom
    
        Place Units - Americans
            3 transports placed in U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
            3 artilleries and 3 infantry placed in United States
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Leningrad: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Karelia: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
    
        Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 43 PUs; end with 43 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

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  • TUV Differential / Net TUV Round 4
    G4
    Eastern Front: -6.75 / +19
    Atlantic/WA: -31.75 / +9
    Africa/Med: +0.68 / -1
    Total: -37.82 / +27

    Allied4
    Eastern Front: -5.48 / +13
    Atlantic/WA: -31.75 / +9
    Africa/Med: +0.68 / -1
    Total: -36.55 / +21


  • TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 5

    TripleA Turn Summary for game: Europe Improved

    Game History

    Round: 5
    
        Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 11 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Germans
            14 armour, 6 artilleries and 40 infantry moved from East Poland to Belorussia
                  Germans take Belorussia from Russians
            2 armour moved from Germany to East Poland
            5 fighters moved from Germany to Vichy France
            2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Vichy France
    
        Combat - Germans
            Battle in Vichy France
                Germans attack with 5 fighters and 2 infantry
                British defend with 1 armour; Americans defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 5 fighters and 2 infantry in Vichy France, round 2 : 4/7 hits, 2,83 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Vichy France, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Vichy France
                    1 infantry owned by the Americans, 1 artillery owned by the Americans and 1 armour owned by the British lost in Vichy France
                Germans win, taking Vichy France from British with 5 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 armour
                Casualties for Americans: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
    
        Non Combat Move - Germans
            5 fighters moved from Vichy France to Germany
            1 fighter moved from Germany to East Poland
    
        Place Units - Germans
            11 infantry placed in Germany
    
        Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 26 PUs; end with 26 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Germans regular : 1,17
    British regular : 0,00
    

    Savegame


  • @VictoryFirst

    Game History

    Round: 5
    
        Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Russians
            1 bomber moved from Moscow to Leningrad
            1 bomber moved from Leningrad to Baltic States
            1 infantry moved from Baltic States to East Poland
            1 bomber moved from Baltic States to East Poland
    
        Combat - Russians
            Battle in East Poland
                Russians attack with 1 bomber and 1 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 aaGun, 2 armour and 1 fighter
                    Germans roll AA dice in East Poland : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in East Poland, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 2 armour and 1 fighter in East Poland, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in East Poland
                    Russians roll dice for 1 bomber in East Poland, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 2 armour and 1 fighter in East Poland, round 3 : 2/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                    1 bomber owned by the Russians lost in East Poland
                    1 armour owned by the Germans lost in East Poland
                Germans win with 1 armour and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is -13
                Casualties for Russians: 1 bomber and 1 infantry
                Casualties for Germans: 1 armour
    
        Non Combat Move - Russians
            6 armour moved from Karelia to Moscow
            3 artilleries and 29 infantry moved from Russia to Moscow
            1 aaGun moved from Karelia to Russia
    
        Place Units - Russians
            7 infantry placed in Moscow
    
        Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 22 PUs; end with 24 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Germans AA : -0.17
    Germans regular : 0.33
    Russians regular : -0.50
    

  • @VictoryFirst

    Game History

    Round: 5
    
        Purchase Units - British
            British buy 9 artilleries and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - British
            1 armour moved from Norway to Karelia
                  British take Finland from Germans
            1 bomber moved from Karelia to East Poland
            1 transport moved from Western Mediterranean Sea Zone to Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Morocco to Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone
            1 armour and 1 transport moved from Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone to Western Mediterranean Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Western Mediterranean Sea Zone to Vichy France
            1 artillery moved from Yugoslavia to Austria
                  British take Austria from Germans
            1 infantry moved from Rumania to Hungary
                  British take Hungary from Germans
    
        Combat - British
            Battle in Vichy France
                British attack with 1 armour
                Germans defend with 1 infantry
                    British roll dice for 1 armour in Vichy France, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Vichy France, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Vichy France
                British win, taking Vichy France from Germans with 1 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Battle in East Poland
                British attack with 1 bomber
                Germans defend with 1 aaGun, 1 armour and 1 fighter
                    Germans roll AA dice in East Poland : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 bomber in East Poland, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 1 fighter in East Poland, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                    1 bomber owned by the British lost in East Poland
                    1 armour owned by the Germans lost in East Poland
                Germans win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is -10
                Casualties for British: 1 bomber
                Casualties for Germans: 1 armour
    
        Non Combat Move - British
            1 infantry moved from Turkestan to Moscow
            1 infantry moved from Stalingrad to Turkestan
            2 fighters moved from Karelia to Moscow
            1 transport moved from Norwegian Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone
            2 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from United Kingdom to English Channel Sea Zone
            2 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Netherlands-Belgium
            1 destroyer moved from Azores Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone
    
        Place Units - British
            9 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in United Kingdom
    
        Turn Complete - British
            British collect 44 PUs; end with 44 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Germans AA : -0.17
    Germans regular : -0.33
    British regular : 0.83
    

  • @VictoryFirst

    Game History

    Round: 5
    
        Purchase Units - Americans
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Netherlands-Belgium: 1 aaGun
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Eastern France: 1 aaGun
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Americans buy 6 artilleries and 1 bomber; Remaining resources: 4 PUs; 
    
        Non Combat Move - Americans
            6 artilleries moved from United Kingdom to English Channel Sea Zone
            6 artilleries moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Netherlands-Belgium
            3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from United States to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
            3 artilleries, 3 infantry and 3 transports moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
            3 transports moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
            3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to United Kingdom
            1 fighter moved from Karelia to Moscow
    
        Place Units - Americans
            6 artilleries and 1 bomber placed in United States
    
        Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 43 PUs; end with 47 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

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  • TUV Differential / Net TUV Round 5
    After Allied 5
    Eastern Front: -3.10 / +36
    Atlantic/WA: -34.99 / +6
    Africa/Med: +0.68 / -1
    Total: -37.41 / +41


  • Odds

    Moscow: 43.31%
    Berlin: around 10.43%

    Final odds for German win: 38.79%


  • TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 6

    TripleA Turn Summary for game: Europe Improved

    Game History

    Round: 6
    
        Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Germans
            14 armour, 6 artilleries and 40 infantry moved from Belorussia to Moscow
            1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Austria
            3 fighters moved from Germany to Austria
            1 fighter moved from East Poland to Austria
            2 fighters moved from Germany to Austria
    
        Combat - Germans
            Battle in Austria
                Germans attack with 6 fighters and 1 infantry
                British defend with 1 artillery
                    Germans roll dice for 6 fighters and 1 infantry in Austria, round 2 : 1/7 hits, 3,17 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 artillery in Austria, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Austria
                    1 artillery owned by the British lost in Austria
                Germans win with 6 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 artillery
            Battle in Moscow
                Germans attack with 14 armour, 6 artilleries and 40 infantry
                British defend with 2 fighters and 1 infantry; Americans defend with 1 fighter; Russians defend with 1 aaGun, 6 armour, 3 artilleries, 1 factory, 1 fighter and 43 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 14 armour, 6 artilleries and 40 infantry in Moscow, round 2 : 19/60 hits, 16,67 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 6 armour, 3 artilleries, 4 fighters and 44 infantry in Moscow, round 2 : 21/57 hits, 20,33 expected hits
                    21 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Moscow
                    18 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Moscow
                    Germans roll dice for 14 armour, 6 artilleries and 19 infantry in Moscow, round 3 : 10/39 hits, 13,17 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 6 armour, 3 artilleries, 4 fighters and 25 infantry in Moscow, round 3 : 17/38 hits, 14,00 expected hits
                    17 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Moscow
                    10 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Moscow
                    Germans roll dice for 14 armour, 6 artilleries and 2 infantry in Moscow, round 4 : 12/22 hits, 9,67 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 6 armour, 3 artilleries, 4 fighters and 15 infantry in Moscow, round 4 : 7/28 hits, 10,67 expected hits
                    5 artilleries owned by the Germans and 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Moscow
                    12 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Moscow
                    Germans roll dice for 14 armour and 1 artillery in Moscow, round 5 : 7/15 hits, 7,33 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 6 armour, 3 artilleries, 4 fighters and 3 infantry in Moscow, round 5 : 6/16 hits, 6,67 expected hits
                    1 artillery owned by the Germans and 5 armour owned by the Germans lost in Moscow
                    3 infantry owned by the Russians, 1 armour owned by the Russians and 3 artilleries owned by the Russians lost in Moscow
                    Germans roll dice for 9 armour in Moscow, round 6 : 3/9 hits, 4,50 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 5 armour and 4 fighters in Moscow, round 6 : 4/9 hits, 4,33 expected hits
                    4 armour owned by the Germans lost in Moscow
                    3 armour owned by the Russians lost in Moscow
                    Germans roll dice for 5 armour in Moscow, round 7 : 2/5 hits, 2,50 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 2 armour and 4 fighters in Moscow, round 7 : 3/6 hits, 3,33 expected hits
                    3 armour owned by the Germans lost in Moscow
                    2 armour owned by the Russians lost in Moscow
                    Germans roll dice for 2 armour in Moscow, round 8 : 0/2 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 4 fighters in Moscow, round 8 : 3/4 hits, 2,67 expected hits
                    2 armour owned by the Germans lost in Moscow
                Russians win with 4 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is -40
                Casualties for Germans: 14 armour, 6 artilleries and 40 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 6 armour, 3 artilleries and 43 infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
    
        Non Combat Move - Germans
            6 fighters moved from Austria to Germany
    
        Place Units - Germans
            8 infantry placed in Germany
    
        Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 20 PUs; end with 22 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Russians regular : -1,00
    Germans regular : -4,00
    British regular : 0,67
    

    Savegame


  • @Ragnell804

    GG, play again? I feel like to balance this game we need to remove a German infantry from Romania as TGC suggested some time ago.


  • @VictoryFirst

    Well it was actually my suggestion but I’ll give TGC credit for it since he likes to run with all my ideas lol

    Sure we can go again. I’m not changing my bid


  • @Ragnell804

    I did not know that 😀 Did you want to try playing with an infantry removed from Romania? (I think that will have a massive impact because that makes the G1 attack on Ukraine almost impossible -> a lot more Russian units left that can counter-attack on R1. Looking at the dice and final odds of this game, that might either do it or even turn the game more in the Allied favor)


  • @VictoryFirst

    Sure we can try it

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