USA Peacetime Income Increases for Japanese Battleships and Carriers

@kmtnt the last turn of the game the 50 IPP thing wont be in play anymore because the US will be at wartime income. they should be able to declare war on any nation they wish (although we know the case with Italy) , but also as others have stated: if the US is threatened by Italy (and attacked) they can easily respond.

@noneshallpass Your write-up is the definitive reference for Axis players deciding how to approach a Declaration of War on the Dutch!

@trig I should add, the reasons I said 4/4/4, then 3/3/3 or 8/4 are:

6/6/6 is a Fast Battleship, so there’s no benefit. 5/5/5 is a Battleship, and why upgrade a Battleship when for the same price you can have two Battleships, even if they’re slower? 4/4/4 is 12 IPC’s total, which isn’t a lot, compared to options 1 and 2, but it is just about costly enough that other options are just as viable (such as a tactical bomber) so there are pros and cons to weigh up.

It should always be three turns (without Improved Construction) because improving a Battleships speed by 6-7 knots with the same armour and weaponry is a job and a half!

Oh no, not confusing at all. Was truly just an assumption made haha. But you are right that there are very specific movement rules from A&A Global. I’m sure that at least in part colored my assumptions.

Interesting takes from you both. This could lose focus, but I do like historical discussion :)

I think you both have valid points on the historical aspects vs. game play realities.

Britain’s and France’s alliance, at least in the form we know it as it concerns WWII, stemmed in 1938-1939 after the Munich Conference. The alliance was really geared towards stemming German/Italian expansions in Europe. I don’t think Japan/Asia was really much of a thought or concern. That probably stems from a number of things, a couple being a contemporary belief in Japanese/Asian inferiority (even with Japanese military success in the recent past), as well as being largely unaware that Japan would eventually harbor the ill will to fight the Allies. They didn’t join the Axis until 1940, remember.

That’s all to say that I agree with GHG, in a historical context, that Britain and France were more concerned about issues closer to home.

All that said, from a gaming perspective, I do agree with Dran here. In a hypothetical reality where Japan preemptively assaulted the British Empire in Hong Kong, Malay, Burma, India, etc., I think it’s very obvious France would have gone on high alert, fully realizing their Indochinese colonies might all of a sudden be in jeopardy. We of course cannot know this, since Indochina was occupied after a Vichy government took control. But I think reason dictates there would have been a heightening of fears in the French Empire.

In that regard, it would have been nicer to have seen a bit more of a peacetime income increase for a situation like this, I agree. But at least there is that +1 IPP for Japan attacking a Neutral UK.

@Broken-Mortar Hmmm that’s the only reason I could think of. I just checked the V-3 rules and it’s says 2 so it probably was a typo.

It’s funny how such an important rule is in such an odd place. You’d think it would be mentioned in the non-combat chapter but it isn’t :/. There is nothing wrong with stating the same rule in multiple sections. I hope that the creator of the game will be receptive to hot-fixes for V.3.0.

While GHG and Munck are correct about income level and declaring war, I don’t think they answered your question.

What you said is correct. Your income on the chart goes up immediately (so you can declare war), but you don’t actually collect the income until the “Place Units and Collect Income” phase of your turn.