Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB
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@Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:
@Omega1759 why build 13 infantry? What would they possibly do for Japan as he skips China?
I don’t think he needs to skip China. He just needs to hold on to what he has and hold DEI. By doing this he would have 60+ IPC per turn which is enough to require lots of American spend in the Pacific (otherwise China will be crushed and India will be crushed).
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@Omega1759 If he was planning to attack China, he would not have made the moves he just did these two rounds. He could have easily crushed Yunnan this round if he moved slightly differently on J1. Instead, he opted to allow China to build 4 art this round, bring them up to 20 units. Insanely large.
He could have forced China to retreat to Gansu if he had wanted to by this point. Obviously he has other intentions for the forces he sent North. The only other logical option is an attack into Russia and an abandonment of China. This conclusion is supported by the lack of factories in Mainland China.
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China’s resurgence would be slow at best, that stack needs to stick together and cannot spread quickly. There are simply too many ground units in China (23?) and planes around to exhaust Japan. UK help might help but with all these transports.
It’s not like China is about to fall anytime soon.
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My point is that he doesn’t need to wipe out China, he just needs to contain it. Just like the US fleet you do not need to wipe it out, just contain it. The real price is India and there’s a way to strangle it down with what he has on the board.
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@Omega1759 China is already surging. I think we can move to Guizhou this round, stacking it with at least 23 units to prevent counterattack. He won’t waste his air force killing Chinese units. He could have killed the force far cheaper by this point if head wanted to.
It will be over 30 units in a few turns.
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Doesn’t matter, Japan is at 770 IPC at the end of J2. Can you believe it?
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@Omega1759 my point is he will give up on containing China and abandon China mainland completely. That is his special plan in this game. He lets China have a stack of 50 units. Who cares. His focus is winning the game in Europe. There will be no way that he can win in the Pacific.
Jiangsu and Guangdong will eventually be captured by China, leaving him no way to get enough victory cities.
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@Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:
@Omega1759 my point is he will give up on containing China and abandon China mainland completely. That is his special plan in this game. He lets China have a stack of 50 units. Who cares. His focus is winning the game in Europe. There will be no way that he can win in the Pacific.
Jiangsu and Guangdong will eventually be captured by China, leaving him no way to get enough victory cities.
We’ll see. He’s not focused on China and I agree. Let’s observe how long it takes for China to get out of control.
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@Omega1759 China’s out of control. No Japanese force can stand next to the 15 inf + 4 art + plane this round, and it will grow another 4 units per round for the foreseeable future. This could have been cheaply avoided if Japan had simply attacked Hunan on J1. He chose an unusual variant of the opening for a reason.
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@Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:
@Omega1759 China’s out of control. No Japanese force can stand next to the 15 inf + 4 art + plane this round, and it will grow another 4 units per round for the foreseeable future. This could have been cheaply avoided if Japan had simply attacked Hunan on J1. He chose an unusual variant of the opening for a reason.
He can go to Hunan or Keichow, but he exposes Yunnan as a result and doesn’t touch any expensive territory from either place yet. Meanwhile Japan an IC in French Indochina, an intact air force, a huge navy, 6 transports and 55 IPC to spend. China would need tremendous UK + Russian + US + Anzac support to explode as you’re describing. 4 units per turn isn’t hard to contain for Japan.
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@farmboy said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:
I just did a practice turn to see what the end result would look like. There would be a number of things that I would still want to think about here. These would include the distribution of units between Yunnan and India and whether the fleets in 54 and 109 are safe. 63 and 106 are also options there. I didn’t stack Malta as I had initially planned as I thought that was too risky. And I decided that because the Japan fleet is in the South I could afford to not build the naval base, but still a point to consider. I also assumed the inf on the transport off Hawaii was there in error and edited it on to Hawaii. But it might be too late to do that or not an error. And sorry if this is annoying. I just had some time and no other turns to play and enjoyed the procrastination. allied turns tutor game.tsvg
I think this is a good move on balance. It chases the Italians out of Gibraltar and allows the British Navy + Canadian troops to put pressure on the Axis. In this fashion there is some pressure on the European theater and we start getting back in shape. Going after Japan in the Pacific is a fantasy, we just want to make sure to hold Hawaii, Sydney and keep India for as long as we can.
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@Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:
- if you win the battle in the Carolines and stack the sea zone with all of the Allied fleet, and land the ANZAC planes on the island, you should be able to withstand a full attack. If you lose the battle (4% chance), and can’t land supporting planes on the island, I think he will destroy your fleet. Worth double checking the numbers since you lose the game if he destroys your Pacific fleet. My question is why park in Caroline this round if you are going to retreat back to Queensland next round?
I haven’t read any of the other posts yet, but find the questions good and want to answer them.
Carolines is a great strategical spot. I want to still be able to pressure both the DEI, Tokyo and the coast of China.
It’s not certain that the fleet retreats to z54. It will only do that if it gets plenty of counter-pressure, which means J has to commit for it, which relieves UK-Pac and China.
@Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:
- What are you planning to do with so many American transports? You don’t yet control the Pacific, won’t control the Pacific with just one more carrier + destroyer, and probably won’t control it for a while. You are in big trouble in Europe compared to a standard game, where you normally are in big trouble.
The idea is to get the Atlantic troop-shuffle going. That needs control of z91, which needs control of Gibraltar. An alternative is to go north via Iceland, but that takes an nb from UK and the southern tr is exposed.
I don’t cry over spilled milk. The good thing with the Gibraltar-mess is that G invested a lot of resources there. It’s no biggie since the air is flexible, but still, R has a lot less to worry about atm. Especially Leningrad is usually an easy grab, which it definitely isn’t now. That’s 7 IPC lost for G.
@Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:
- When do you plan to switch spending to the Atlantic? China and India are actually in a great position compared to a standard match. I am really shocked that Yunnan is alive and well. Soon you will have 19 inf + 4 art + a plane in China. I don’t really understand this Japanese plan for Andrew, but this is the biggest force that I have seen in ages.
I already have. 4 tr is not a slight thing. Also, some of the Pac-spending will smoothly and sneakily switch over to the Atlantic, putting serious pressure on Gibraltar. That’s my present idea atleast.
I like the strong China a lot. UK-Pac has to be careful not to lose Calcutta though.
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@farmboy said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:
Another option (to get Gibraltar quickly) is to move the two carriers and a destroyer built in 10 to 89, land hte Hawaii fighters on them and then build a bunch of transports. You can build more navy and air for the pacific side too but threaten Gibraltar with 5 air and 8-12 land units. Building another bomber or two might be an option too. He probably can hold it, but he would have to leave most of the German air there. And the Italian fleet would then be exposed if it moved with a transport to strengthen Gibraltar as British subs and air could reach. At the very least this forces the Germans to focus on their West and may give the Soviets more room to maneuver and Egypt more time. And you might get Gibraltar back out of it next turn. The danger is what it does in the Pacific, but given that you are holding Yunnan, and that much of his fleet is too far away to stack caroline Islands, it may be worth it. The more I think about it, the more likely that this would be my choice, but I would want to think carefully about what happens in the Pacific and make sure I’m not setting up to lose Hawaii. I wouldn’t do Caroline Islands if I did this.
The British build I think is likely a factory in Persia and a carrier if possible along with inf in Cairo. And you can pull the fleet back to the Suez and bring as much air in range as possible. This might mean the UK air in China would go to the Caucasus even if it costs the bonus for a turn.
This is more or less the idea I have.
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@Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:
@Omega1759 so does China move to Guizhou this round, supported one more round by UK assistance? I really wish that Russia would keep their fighters in Moscow since they are sitting there on the Western front and will never be able to do very much. They could have helped reinforce China and then returned by the time Germany had any exploitable weaknesses.
I presented this idea earlier and wanted it discussed. Didn’t get any reponse, what I remember.
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@Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in Tutor game: AndrewAAGamer (X) vs trulpen [and everyone else] (A+50) OOB:
@Omega1759 China’s out of control. No Japanese force can stand next to the 15 inf + 4 art + plane this round, and it will grow another 4 units per round for the foreseeable future. This could have been cheaply avoided if Japan had simply attacked Hunan on J1. He chose an unusual variant of the opening for a reason.
I think he attacked Hunan, but failed the attack.
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Someone said something about attacking the Carolines is too risky. Can’t find the post, but can respond shortly.
With shore bombardment it’s a +95 % battle. The ships we put at risk are 2 tr, 2 cr, 1 bs. It’s sad and hurtful if it fails and we lose them, but not the end of the game.
In my view now is the time and opportunity to get hold of a true key square with low risk of failure. We might not be able to stay there the next round, but the territory is ours and it is important. J will have to go out of their way in order to reclaim it, and it’s usually not worth it for them.
In my book this is a star-move. ;)
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I don’t know about you guys, but I find this rather exciting! :)
Executing US now.
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The over-take of the Carolines went well, despite a killer japanese defence with 2 hits.
@AndrewAAGamer, I have a question regarding these particular 3-nation-turns: Would you allow us to be able to change things that are not affected by dice for the nation’s preceeding? Namely US and Ch while UK goes?
If you do, I believe it would speed things up considerably. US + UK are hefty turns and trying to handle this with feedback is a challenging task.
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TripleA Turn Summary: Americans round 2
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0
Game History
Round: 2 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 4 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Americans 1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to 92 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands 1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 26 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone 1 cruiser moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands Combat - Americans Battle in 92 Sea Zone Americans attack with 1 bomber Italians defend with 1 transport 1 transport owned by the Italians lost in 92 Sea Zone Americans win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for Italians: 1 transport Battle in Caroline Islands Americans attack with 1 artillery and 3 infantry Japanese defend with 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 harbour and 2 infantry Americans roll dice for 1 battleship and 2 cruisers in Caroline Islands, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1,67 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Caroline Islands, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1,00 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 aaGun and 2 infantry in Caroline Islands, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Japanese, 1 aaGun owned by the Japanese and 2 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Caroline Islands Americans win, taking Caroline Islands from Japanese with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5 Casualties for Americans: 2 infantry Casualties for Japanese: 1 aaGun and 2 infantry Non Combat Move - Americans 1 transport moved from 86 Sea Zone to 89 Sea Zone 1 armour and 3 infantry moved from Brazil to British Guiana 1 carrier moved from 10 Sea Zone to 89 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 26 Sea Zone to 89 Sea Zone 1 carrier and 1 destroyer moved from 26 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone 1 cruiser moved from 51 Sea Zone to 89 Sea Zone 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from Hawaiian Islands to 33 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 10 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone 2 submarines moved from 10 Sea Zone to 30 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 10 Sea Zone to 89 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from Hawaiian Islands to 89 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from 92 Sea Zone to British Guiana Place Units - Americans 1 carrier placed in 10 Sea Zone 1 destroyer placed in 101 Sea Zone 4 transports placed in 101 Sea Zone 2 fighters placed in Western United States Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 52 PUs Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 62 PUs Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 67 PUs Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 72 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans : 1,33 Japanese : 1,33 -
Not finalized yet.
Now I want you to look at this position and tell me if you’re happy enough. After it’s finalized it’s likely stuck with us, depending on Andrew’s response to my previous inquiry.
I have one question which I’m not sure of, and that is to bring a second ac to z89.
I’d like to bring as little as possible, but still enough to be able to force the issue in Gibraltar despite reasonable maximum efforts by the nazis.
Now we’ll have 10 land and 4 air plus a cr shore-bombardment, with a follow up of 2-4 land, some air and shore-bombardment by UK.
I’d be crazy to try to hold Gibraltar as Axis looking at that.
Actually I play another game where Axis has succeeded with holding Gibraltar for maybe 10 turns, but at tremendous costs. They’re losing as a rock since both US and Russia overwhelms themin other parts of the board.
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