L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3

Amon-Sul

but i was expecting u ll announce OOL or say that u want to decide upon cas in advance, since it was small battle

but u werent obliged to do it in advance, to say, to prepare me , of course

trulpen

OOL is usually tedious in advance and I rarely do it, except when it’s very evident and may speed up the process. Here I haden’t processed different outcomes and hence hadn’t reflected upon OOL. I would’ve though having a hit on the table. I believe I would’ve chosen the same as I did now.

trulpen

Of course, looking back at it 1 hit was the only instance I’d have to choose anything, so defining an OOL might have been proper. They way we usually do it is the defender defines OOL if asked for. If not, the defender gets the choice if need be (which it usually is), otherwise the attacker may assume if it’s evident. Unfortunately it wasn’t in this case.

Amon-Sul

n o i do not think about ool in advance

but to remind me (in advance) u want to choose the cas

Amon-Sul

a very busy day at work so i will play this tomorrow in peace.

so i dont make more errors

Amon-Sul

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

n o i do not think about ool in advance

but to remind me (in advance) u want to choose the cas

but u have so many games so maybe its not smart i expect it xd

Amon-Sul

i am not saying u wouldnt take a dd if u didnt knew u scored 3 hits, but maybe U would, who knows, its a choice. but with 3 hits of urs, keeping the dd seems nice in one way.

trulpen

I had about 3 hits to be expected, so I’d go for it. But it’s not for certain. Like you say I unfortunately got an advantage when choosing knowing the defense roll. The important thing is that I’d likely taken a fig anyway.

trulpen

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

i am not saying u wouldnt take a dd if u didnt knew u scored 3 hits, but maybe U would, who knows, its a choice. but with 3 hits of urs, keeping the dd seems nice in one way.

Hopefully dragging down a few aussie subs, while not risking any air. Pretty nice.

Amon-Sul

i think i wont alter usa placement after all,

i dont have extra land units for korea :(

trulpen

One tricky rule question:

Say that you had one sub left in that battle and nothing else. Since it was built into z6, can it retreat from the battle? Somehow it should, but where? It didn’t come from anywhere. :)

Amon-Sul

@trulpen said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

One tricky rule question:

Say that you had one sub left in that battle and nothing else. Since it was built into z6, can it retreat from the battle? Somehow it should, but where? It didn’t come from anywhere. :)

maybe it cant xd

Amon-Sul

TripleA Turn Summary: Chinese round 12

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4

Game History

Round: 12

    Purchase Units - Chinese
        Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
        Chinese buy 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Chinese
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Japan: 1 fighter
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 6 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 fighter and 1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Kiangsi
        6 artilleries and 11 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan

    Combat - Chinese
        Battle in Kiangsi
            Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 1 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Kiangsi, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Kiangsi, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Kiangsi, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Kiangsi, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Kiangsi
             retreated to Kiangsi
            Japanese win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3
            Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
        Battle in Yunnan
            Chinese attack with 6 artilleries and 11 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                Chinese roll dice for 6 artilleries and 11 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 3/17 hits, 4,83 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan
            Chinese win, taking Yunnan from Japanese with 6 artilleries and 11 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry

    Non Combat Move - Chinese
        1 fighter moved from Kiangsi to Anhwe

    Place Units - Chinese
        1 infantry placed in Yunnan
        5 infantry placed in Anhwe

    Turn Complete - Chinese
        Chinese collect 8 PUs; end with 8 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese : -3,17
Japanese : -0,33

Savegame

Amon-Sul

i ll try to finish uk now

trulpen

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

@trulpen said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

One tricky rule question:

Say that you had one sub left in that battle and nothing else. Since it was built into z6, can it retreat from the battle? Somehow it should, but where? It didn’t come from anywhere. :)

maybe it cant xd

Seems like it:

“The attacker (never the defender) can retreat during this step. Move all attacking land and sea units in that combat that are on the battle strip to a single adjacent friendly space from which at least 1 of the attacking land or sea units moved. In the case of sea units, that space must have been friendly at the start of the turn. All such units must retreat together to the same territory or sea zone, regardless of where they came from.”

Partly they “came” from z6 and partly z6 wasn’t friendly at the start of the turn.

trulpen

No, wait, you would be able to move the ships out of z6 and then back again, so you could choose up to two sea zones for the retreat.

Amon-Sul

TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 12

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4

Game History

Round: 12

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 1 aaGun, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 3 carriers, 1 destroyer, 2 infantry and 3 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans
        1 artillery moved from Morocco to Algeria
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Gibraltar to Algeria
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Morocco to Algeria
        2 fighters moved from Gibraltar to Algeria

    Combat - Americans
        Americans creates battle in territory 6 Sea Zone
        Japanese scrambles 3 units out of Japan to defend against the attack in 6 Sea Zone
        Battle in Algeria
            Americans attack with 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers
            Italians defend with 2 infantry
                Americans roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in Algeria, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 2,67 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 2 infantry in Algeria, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                1 fighter owned by the Americans, 1 artillery owned by the Americans and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Algeria
                Americans roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers in Algeria, round 3 : 2/3 hits, 1,67 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 infantry in Algeria, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Algeria
            Americans win with 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is -8
            Casualties for Americans: 1 artillery and 1 fighter
            Casualties for Italians: 2 infantry
        Battle in 6 Sea Zone
            Americans attack with 1 carrier, 1 fighter and 1 submarine; ANZAC loiter and taunt
            Japanese defend with 1 destroyer and 3 fighters
                Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 6 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 carrier and 1 fighter in 6 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer and 3 fighters in 6 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/4 hits, 2,33 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Americans, 1 destroyer owned by the Japanese and 1 carrier owned by the Americans lost in 6 Sea Zone
             retreated to 6 Sea Zone
            Japanese win with 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is -14
            Casualties for Americans: 1 carrier and 1 submarine
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer
        Moving scrambled unit from 6 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Japan
        Moving scrambled unit from 6 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Japan
        Moving scrambled unit from 6 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Japan

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        1 fighter moved from 6 Sea Zone to Korea
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Jehol to Korea
        1 mech_infantry moved from Kwangsi to Anhwe
        1 destroyer moved from 103 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Algeria to Gibraltar
        2 submarines moved from 91 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Gibraltar to United Kingdom
        1 transport moved from 110 Sea Zone to 107 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Americans
        1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Eastern United States
        3 submarines placed in 6 Sea Zone
        3 carriers and 1 destroyer placed in 101 Sea Zone
        1 bomber placed in Western United States

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 59 PUs; end with 59 PUs
        Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 69 PUs
        Objective Americans 9 Vital Forward Bases: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 74 PUs
        Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 79 PUs
        Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 84 PUs

    Purchase Units - Chinese
        Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
        Chinese buy 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Chinese
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Japan: 1 fighter
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 6 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 fighter and 1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Kiangsi
        6 artilleries and 11 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan

    Combat - Chinese
        Battle in Kiangsi
            Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 1 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Kiangsi, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Kiangsi, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Kiangsi, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Kiangsi, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Kiangsi
             retreated to Kiangsi
            Japanese win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3
            Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
        Battle in Yunnan
            Chinese attack with 6 artilleries and 11 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                Chinese roll dice for 6 artilleries and 11 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 3/17 hits, 4,83 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan
            Chinese win, taking Yunnan from Japanese with 6 artilleries and 11 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry

    Non Combat Move - Chinese
        1 fighter moved from Kiangsi to Anhwe

    Place Units - Chinese
        1 infantry placed in Yunnan
        5 infantry placed in Anhwe

    Turn Complete - Chinese
        Chinese collect 8 PUs; end with 8 PUs

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 1 aaGun, 2 carriers and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        1 mech_infantry moved from Iraq to Eastern Persia
        1 infantry moved from Egypt to Alexandria
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Iraq to Alexandria
        1 bomber moved from Iraq to Eastern Persia
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Caucasus

    Combat - British
        Battle in Eastern Persia
            British attack with 1 bomber and 1 mech_infantry
            Germans defend with 1 mech_infantry
                British roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 mech_infantry in Eastern Persia, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Eastern Persia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans lost in Eastern Persia
            British win, taking Eastern Persia from Germans with 1 bomber and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
            Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry
        Battle in Alexandria
            British attack with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Italians defend with 1 infantry
                British roll dice for 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Alexandria, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1,33 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 infantry in Alexandria, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Alexandria
            British win, taking Alexandria from Italians with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Caucasus
            British attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 infantry
                British roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Caucasus, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Caucasus, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Caucasus
            British win, taking Caucasus from Germans with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - British
        3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Egypt to Gibraltar
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Alexandria to Egypt
        6 aaGuns and 5 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Eastern Persia to Iraq
        3 infantry moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia
        3 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Egypt
        1 aaGun moved from Trans-Jordan to Egypt
        1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 81 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 81 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq
        1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to Gibraltar

    Place Units - British
        2 carriers placed in 110 Sea Zone
        1 infantry placed in Egypt
        1 aaGun placed in Iraq
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Turn Complete - British
        British collect 35 PUs; end with 35 PUs
        Trigger British 3 No Enemy Submarines: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 38 PUs

    Turn Complete - UK_Pacific

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans : -0,67
Italians : 0,67
British : 0,17
Americans : -1,17
Chinese : -3,17
Japanese : 0,33

Savegame

Amon-Sul

@trulpen said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

No, wait, you would be able to move the ships out of z6 and then back again, so you could choose up to two sea zones for the retreat.

i did not know that

hm wait

Amon-Sul

@trulpen said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

No, wait, you would be able to move the ships out of z6 and then back again, so you could choose up to two sea zones for the retreat.

which sz?

any sz neighbouring sz 6?

Amon-Sul

@trulpen said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

No, wait, you would be able to move the ships out of z6 and then back again, so you could choose up to two sea zones for the retreat.

But its strange.

Its the same like i submerged them. But if u had a dd then i see.

But anyway all of my usa sea units were destroyed

L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3

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