Current actions in the Middle East

Well 20 billion dollars is a lot of money. Compare this with the 500+ million we give to Israel each year (which some people call our greatest Allie, though I do not believe so). Well at least it goes to somewhat restore his “pirate image.”

The problem is that we’re already running huge budget deficits, in addition to the trillions of dollars since the Reagan administration. So where should the money go, to the Americans or the Africans? I think we should combat poverty in America and in the inner cities (I use to live in them) before spending enormous resources to get rid of Africa’s problems.

On 2002-05-20 23:35, FinsterniS wrote:
Theres a lot more death to the palestinian side. AND theres a quite big difference…

The Israel Governement sponsored these murder.

Palestinian Peaple does’nt support terrorism.

And… israel does’nt want any International Soldier, Arafat want. So when Charon is saying Arafat does’nt want peace but he want…

me fail inglish? that’s unpossible!

It is a known fact that is blatantly shouted out in pride that they support matyrdom attacks. I have debated with palestinians and their top supporters. 85% (in support of palestinian terror) was a number spitted out by a pro-palestinian guy! they justify murder…70% of the israeli people justify murder in self defense.

“RE: Saddam - What happens when he dies? I don’t think he has trained any of his children to rule when he dies.”

You ever hear of Qussay and Uday? They are fu**ing nuts, and that is an understatement. Saddam is the Stalin of today. No other man blatantly starves his people, gases them, and uses secret police and soldiers to massacre his people and ethnic minorities. Though I believe Saddam didn’t have much if none at all to do with anything about 9-11, he is a big reason aside from Israel nuts like Usama bin Laden attacked America. Saddam must be taken out…not because of terror or oil, but because it would not only for the good of society, but him and his sons are too dangerous to have around. Iraq is actively trying to creative destructive weapons, and an instable like Iraq, is not a country you would want to trust with that sort of capability. Saddam already killed millions…how many more in the future do you want?

On 2002-06-01 21:59, TG Moses VI wrote:
“I don’t think he has trained any of his children to rule when he dies.”

Actually, in a recent article I read in time. Saddam’s children are shaping up to take over his job. The question is, which one?

I think it is Uday. He is the head of the secret police, and the other son is a complete nut.

"Gota agree Fin, Israel (and America to a point) sponsors Terrorism more than Saddam Hussein or Yassar Arafar. "

Based on what? Your opinion? Randomly blowing up people is terror…not a UN sanction, and not carefully decimating a camp, with very minimal civilian casualties (only one died from a bulldozer after being warned in advance that bulldozers were a’commin’.)

On 2002-06-02 05:47, Yanny wrote:
Or, look at the real problems. There are more humanitarian problems in Africa (both west and east) that we need to help out while they continue to spiral out of control. Ethiopia, Somalia, Sudan, all of these are experiences huge famines. Maybe the United States should stop worrying about money and start helping people.

Why should we help them out? Sadly, we can try but there is no way to directly help these people by handing them ffood directly. In reality, the governments and warlords take the food.

What we need is the momentum that rid small pox off this world. I would support an effort as large as that…not just a half assed effort.

"I’m not saying lets all of a sudden revert to 1920’s isolation, but maybe try to forcus less of the Middle East and Europe and more on Asia and Africa. "

I believe it was during the 20s (either starting is Harding’s or coolidge’s administration) that america started to mess around in the middle east, especially iran.

On 2002-06-02 10:02, TG Moses VI wrote:
Well America is doing a lot. Look at Bill Gates. He’s a jackass with a heart. He plans to contribute 20 billion (not million, BILLON) dollars in order to help improve the living conditions of Africa and help to control AIDs. But I agree, we should stop sending money to Egypt and Israel to buy arms and instead concentrate on helping lesser of places like Asia and Africa.

Moses, do you like driving your car, or do your friends like driving SUVs? if you do, we need the suez canal, and that means we need support from both israel and egypt.

America should withdraw forces and money from korea and europe for starters. And why do we still have men in asia (like Kashmir?) So they can get caught in the middle? some say we need to have forces around for strategic purposes, but the truth is that if we didn’t have men all over the place, there would be a smaller threat of violence.

On 2002-06-02 16:47, TG Moses VI wrote:
The problem is that we’re already running huge budget deficits, in addition to the trillions of dollars since the Reagan administration. So where should the money go, to the Americans or the Africans? I think we should combat poverty in America and in the inner cities (I use to live in them) before spending enormous resources to get rid of Africa’s problems.

And how much is our help really going to help? I agree, any country can go deep into debt and look rich. it is time we balance the damn budget. Sure a war on terror costs a lot of money, but we still spend billions on the ineffective war on drugs and deploying american soldiers all around the world.

" Why should we help them out? Have a heart dammit! They need help, History has condemned them to suffer. "

I agree with you. But shouldn’t we first spend our money, time, and resources on helping our own people before helping another country out? I know lots of friends in the inner city ghettos that could use that money and “extra boast” (after all, everything isn’t just money. Remember if you teach a man to fish…) just as much as the starving man in Africa. Though Africa was wrecked (in to a point, still does) by capitalism and slavery partly attributed to USA, I say help a brother before helping a neighbor.

On 2002-06-03 16:43, TG Moses VI wrote:
" Why should we help them out? Have a heart dammit! They need help, History has condemned them to suffer. "

I agree with you. But shouldn’t we first spend our money, time, and resources on helping our own people before helping another country out? I know lots of friends in the inner city ghettos that could use that money and “extra boast” (after all, everything isn’t just money. Remember if you teach a man to fish…) just as much as the starving man in Africa. Though Africa was wrecked (in to a point, still does) by capitalism and slavery partly attributed to USA, I say help a brother before helping a neighbor.

How about the native americans? I think the best thing america can be is non-interventionists. but we need our oil. if we are going to have a heart and help countries we screwed, we have to start with south america. We have robbed land from the mexicans and screwed south america in the past, and still do mess around too much.

The government does help subsidize Native America rights and give them special benefits (though they will never come close to what we did to them). Mexico, South America? But I still think that a strong, prosperous America (as a whole) would be better off helping other countries than if it had remained so dangerously divided between the wealthy and poor.

1. How does America support terrorism more than Arafat and Sadam

2. Arafat does belong in the same category as Sadam

3. It is true that the U.S. should stop handing out guns. You know what the biggest U.S. export is (by dolars) ? Weapons Also, the U.S. has been destructive unintentionally, we have crushed local economies by exporting used clothing.

4. The U.S. can’t solve the World’s problems.

5. A blockade between the U.S. and Europe would hurt Europe more than the U.S. The U.S. has a trade deficiet with Europe in Europe’s favor. Which means that money leaves the American economy and enters the European. Same with Asia, Africa, and Austrailia. If the U.S. stopped trading with the rest of the world, global economic collapse. If the French do the same, the French people suffer.

We cannot win. If we help, then
1)it’s not enough, and/or
2)another country complains, “it’s not fair!”,and/or
3) it’s meddling, manipulation, or imperialism, and/or
4) no ‘strings’ should be attached(free money with no results necessary).
All of these have happened before.
Now, one suggestion is to forgive the debtor nations the full financial debt. If we do that, then who will pay and when? That would impact our banking system, which in turn would impact individual taxpayers(some of US). This would impact all Americans, which would then impact the economy of almost the entire world. Down the tubes.
Oh, wait! The stage is set for a one world socialist government. Our salvation is at hand.
First, however, methinks we should negotiate and pay reparations to the Native Americans whose families we have killed and lands we have stolen, African-Americans who are victims of pre-Civil War slavery and post-Civil war servitude , Africans whose families have been decimated in slave trade, Arabs whose oil we stolen for a century, etc.
After they’ve all signed for acceptance and America has the money back then we can forgive the national debts and everyone will start with nothing. Oh,darn it! I guess we’ll still depend on all our technology and machines that won’t work because we won’t have the money to buy the oil to run it. We broke the system and now everyone is mad at us.
I’ve got it! Let’s reverse the process. First, we forgive all the debts. Then we won’t be able to pay back anybody as the system will collapse.
It’s shorter and everybody’s still mad at us.
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“Praise the Lord and pass the taters!” - Xi

I agree that Imperialism is evil. However, it is it’s own seperate evil from terrorism.

“Yourbuttocks, ever hear of Imperialists? America is the modern day Imperialist power. Sure, we don’t militarily country countries like Imperialists during the 1800s. We control them economically. We place a Puppet Goverment in the small countries, furnish them with riches, then procede to take the recources of that country for ourselves, barely paying the country (which is paid in Weapons as you said yourself, to keep the country “stable”.”

Examples? IMO, it isn’t just America, but all of the rich nations that control the poor ones (America, western european nations, Japan…) America isn’t the imperialist power.

“Saddam is not a terrorist. Saddam is a dictator, yes. Saddam is a bad person, yes, but name one incident where he used terrorism? Before the Oslo Accords, Arafat was a terrorist.”

Arafat still is. He ordered attacks directly! Oh wait, he doesn’t do that ALL the time, at times he just lets the attacks happen. As for Saddam, he is worse than any terrorist, he is a Hitler.

“America can’t solve the world’s problems, but as the only Superpower we do our best to help.”

Our help is not wanted, and when given really doesn’t help.

“I believe it was the 1700s Philosophe Vultar that said “It is the job of the fortunate to use their fortune to help those of less fortune” or something along those lines.”"

Voltaie was a crazy nut. His ideas contradicted each other all the time. I would not take anything he takes seriously…he supported absolute monarchy! Meanwhile he supported a government for the people.

This is my last post of tonight…gotta go.