Affirmative Action

although i’m extremely liberal i too am against a.a. I agree that it has the possibility (and often the probability) of getting lesser-qualified people into college/work/etc. However in some instances it can be beneficial. In the inner cities of California they often take the top 5% (or some small number, i’m not really sure) of a high school and automatically admit them to state schools. This helps to balance out the extreme maldistribution of education that we currently have……i dunno, i’m just sort of rambling…it seems dumb at times but i can kind of see why they would implement it in the first place. How else do we help educate those minorities which have been oppressed so long that they have fallen behind?

I agree.
Affrimative action is the Political correct way of Discriminating against White people, especially white males.

I got knocked out of a charter school because of AA. I hate it, it means if your a minority you have more rights. Totally unconstitutional. Of course, if a politician said that, he’s be swarmed by media idiots who say he is racist.

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i dont know……what about those Expos?

I don’t get the mess joke…but maybe that’s cuz i don’t like baseball…or i’m retarded but its one of the two…

AA creates other problems too, that are more subtle. The school I go to has a higher diversity rate than the population on purpose. SO do many programs that I am involved in. Now some of the guys who go to my school consider a program/activity undiversefied to the point almost of racism if it does not have an ratio of minorities higher than the population. In seattle, less than one guy out of ten is black. Deal with it.

Although i believe that gov’t programs need to be in place to elevate the education of minorities to a level playing field. AA appears to work in favor of minority groups, however it diminishes (in many people’s minds) the accomplishment that has been acheived by other minorities. For example, let’s say that “joe”, a native cdn, works his ass off to become a good lawyer, and “frank” - another native cdn gets into a good firm due to AA, then joe’s acheivement appears to be due to a gov’t program rather than his own diligence.

AA is what happens when coward politicians get scared.

The issue of Affirmative Action hits home, especially since I live in Southern California. Now coming from a minority I would be inclined to support AA, right? You’re dead wrong. I recently listened to a radio segment from a very influential person, Larry Elder. He too is against affirmative action, which is interesting, considering he is Afro-American.

“University of California Regents recently voted to change their admissions criteria. Previously, the UC system (consisting of nine universities) chose half of its incoming class primarily on test scores and grades. The admissions department selected the remainder based on an array of criteria, including, but not limited to, credit for “overcoming adversity.”

In 1996, Californians passed Proposition 209, the initiative that discontinued the use of race and gender in admissions. Following 209, the numbers of blacks and Hispanics in the elite UC campuses of UCLA and Berkeley dropped off. Yet the overall number of blacks and Hispanics did not decline, with many now going to the less-competitive schools.

Is the change a subterfuge to ensure the admission of a certain number of blacks and Hispanics? Nationwide, the forced mismatching of lesser-qualified blacks and Hispanics in top-flight institutions results in a lower-than-average graduation rate for these students. Those admitted under “special criteria” or some other code word for lowered standards, drop out at a much higher rate than their peers.

A study of seven Michigan colleges by the Detroit News reveals that “among black students who were freshmen in 1994, just 40 percent got their diplomas after six years, compared to 61 percent of white students and 74 percent of Asians … Universities knowingly admit students who have a high chance of failing … The 10 years’ worth of data analyzed by The News shows that the more selective a university is in choosing its students, the more likely its students are to graduate.” Similarly, in the University of California system, students admitted under special criteria – code for affirmative action – also graduate at a lower rate than do regularly admitted students.

The new UC policy punishes Asians. At the prestigious UCLA and Berkeley campuses, the percentage of Asians stands at 40 percent. If the system relied primarily on test scores and grades, the percentage of Asians would be higher still.

At the distinguished, hard-to-get-into San Francisco public Lowell High School, Chinese-American applicants required higher admissions scores than did other ethnic groups. A lawsuit finally stopped it, but the new UC admissions policy follows suit, giving God-like powers to admissions officers, who punish academic excellence, while doing nothing to improve the substandard K-12 education many receive.
Apparently, punishment of Asian excellence is a worldwide phenomenon. Generations ago, many poor Chinese left China for countries like America, Singapore, and Malaysia, only to face government-backed discrimination by envious natives.

The new UC admissions policy ignores the real problem – the substandard K-12 education many students receive, especially those attending public, inner-city schools. Yet, many of the very same liberals willing to use “holistic” means in college admissions remain adamantly opposed to allowing parents, through vouchers, to select their children’s school.

What do the UC admissions officers say to parents who bought smaller homes, didn’t go on vacation, and lived below their means to ensure a better education for their children? Should they stand at the back of the bus because of the educational establishment’s failure to provide a quality education for others? To those parents, the UC admissions policy says quite bluntly, “sucker.”