Bid for 1942 scenario?

TripleA Turn Summary: Americans round 9

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v3 1942, version: 1.7.0

Game History

Round: 9 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 9 armour, 1 artillery and 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Purchase Units - Chinese Chinese builds 3 units. Non Combat Move - Americans 2 infantry moved from Italy to France 2 fighters moved from 13 Sea Zone to France 1 infantry moved from Morocco Algeria to 13 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Morocco Algeria to 13 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Morocco Algeria to 13 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Morocco Algeria to 13 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 13 Sea Zone to France 2 artilleries moved from 13 Sea Zone to France 1 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 10 Sea Zone 1 armour moved from Eastern United States to 10 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 10 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Eastern United States to 10 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 10 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 10 Sea Zone 1 armour, 1 artillery, 4 infantry and 3 transports moved from 10 Sea Zone to 12 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from 12 Sea Zone to Morocco Algeria 4 infantry moved from 12 Sea Zone to Morocco Algeria 1 armour moved from 12 Sea Zone to Morocco Algeria 1 transport moved from 12 Sea Zone to 10 Sea Zone 1 transport moved from 12 Sea Zone to 10 Sea Zone 1 transport moved from 12 Sea Zone to 10 Sea Zone 1 transport moved from 12 Sea Zone to 10 Sea Zone 1 transport moved from 12 Sea Zone to 10 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 13 Sea Zone to 12 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 12 Sea Zone to 13 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from Eastern United States to 13 Sea Zone 1 battleship moved from 14 Sea Zone to 13 Sea Zone 1 cruiser moved from 14 Sea Zone to 13 Sea Zone 1 transport moved from 14 Sea Zone to 12 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Baltic States to Poland 2 artilleries moved from Baltic States to Poland Place Units - Americans 6 armour placed in Italy 3 armour, 1 artillery and 5 infantry placed in Eastern United States Combat Move - Chinese 2 infantry moved from Yunnan to Fukien 1 infantry moved from Hupeh to Fukien 1 infantry moved from Hupeh to Fukien 1 infantry moved from Hupeh to Fukien Combat - Chinese Battle in Fukien Chinese attack with 5 infantry Japanese defend with 1 armour Chinese roll dice for 5 infantry in Fukien, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 0,83 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 armour in Fukien, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits 1 armour owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Fukien Chinese win, taking Fukien from Japanese with 4 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2 Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry Casualties for Japanese: 1 armour Non Combat Move - Chinese 2 infantry moved from Hupeh to Suiyuan Place Units - Chinese 3 infantry placed in Hupeh Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 45 PUs; end with 45 PUs Objective 1: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 50 PUs Objective 3: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 55 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : 1,17 Japanese regular : 0,50

Savegame

Hi all,

Is there a standard bid/bid range for the Anniversary 1942 scenario?  Or is it considered well-balanced enough that a bid is not normally needed?

@Cmdr:

I have to admit, I really enjoy the idea of closed dardenelles.  I like tech, but life is SOOOO much easier for Russia if Italy cannot attack them directly.

Perhaps, I guess, 1 allied player vs 3 axis players would also balance things.

I also like closed Dardenelles, but my group will never agree to it.  Allies have to make up for it by landing in France turn 1.  Yes, Italy retakes it, but it keeps Italy away from Russia, and with NOs, UK trades 3-6 IPCs for 11.

Imo, # of players makes no difference.  At least wit the people I play with, both Axis and Allies work very well together.  I’ve seen Italy do amazing things.  UK lands in Poland, Italy retakes Poland.

no bids.  42 is balanced.

the discussion has been 42, but has gone into strategy.

When AA50 first came out, 41 was new and unbroken ground.  Now that some time has passed, I think 42 is still the Axis and Allies setup to play, only with bigger board!  The addition of Italy for a 3 vs 3 game makes it balanced.  Short games still favor Axis and long games still favor Allies.  It’s how it should be.

Can’t wait for G40!!!

@woodstock said in Can the Allies win in 1942?:

“How long can Russia hold out on it’s own against Germany?”

Quite a while. In fact, Russia can hold out for so long they’ll have taken Berlin. Yup, I’m being serious when I say that, a proper USSR player can hold out against Germany, and Italy, push them back all the way to Rome and Berlin and win the war all together. What I’m saying may seem WAY too overstretched and I dont blame u for thinking that. But I sure as hell did it in the 42’ setup. And after doing it, it made me see the obvious.

The Soviets can’t ‘hold out’ until the allies arrive. By turns 7-9 the Soviets will have needed to shift the tides, and be on the offensive towards Berlin, whether the allies have landed or not.

As much as I’d like to think that America and the British have some huge major important factor in this, they really don’t. The entirety of the war effort all rests on the brains and brawns of the player playing the Soviet Union, granted that’s not to say the U.K and the U.S can’t help a brother out, I’m just saying this so called Soviets hold out until “Round 4, 5 or 6” is pretty baloney. Because the that’s pretty much the time when America and the U.K should be SETTING UP to land in mainland Europe, and they still won’t do it for another good 3-4 turns.

Something that one of my favorite Axis and Allies youtubers said, GeneralHandGrenade, spoke of the fact that as the allies (America specifically) There is no short cheap way to win the war for the allies, landing on turn 3-4 is WAY too early for either, frankly a properly played game as the allies could genuinly go on till’ round 11 or 12.

And if any player can’t seem to hold out against the Germans and Italians in the 1942 setup then they’re playing the Soviet Union wrong, and you should probably hand off the role to somebody else, because the player playing the USSR kinda needs to know how to play the game, and play it well.

(i know this is old, I dont even think you’re gonna see this but I was born in the early 2000’s so I wasn’t around for the forums)

Balance issues… Dardanelles should always be closed… NOs favor the Axis, hands down.

Something not in the rules, but a very simple House rule our group uses for both balance and just plain fun…

90% of the time, Japan nukes the Flying Tigers in China on turn 1 before the Allies get to make a single move with them. They are basically placed in a “please kill me” position.

Our group always allows the Allied player the choice to place the Flying Tigers anywhere they want within China on the initial setup… it’s a very minor concession both for play balance and strategic fun.

As with 1941, Japan must build a Fac in Manchuria on turn 1. Both maps need updating

However, in 42 USA has greater success with going after japan and the buy should be delayed and done only if US player commits to pacific. That buy is what Japan should do but understandably its income will be greater on J2.

new map is coming in a few weeks