Battleships are perfect for attacking small fleets because they soak up the damage. They’re a great tool for america to use to clean up the pacific. They also in a way negate the sneek atack by subs since they don’t sink in the first hit.

But with destroyers, subs do not get their first attack hit ! Even better !

Battleships can take the frist sub hit.

[ This Message was edited by: Mr Ghoul on 2002-03-14 16:21 ]

i’m a fan of destroyers too… much better bang for the buck:
amphib assault:
destroyer
chance 2 hits = 11%
chance 1 hits = 44%
chance >0 hits = 55%
battleship
chance 2 hits = 0%
chance 1 hits = 60%
chance >0 hits = 60%
so, a slight edge for the BB but no chance of 2 hits…
regular combat
destroyer
chance 2 hits = 25%
chance 1 hits = 50%
chance >0 hits = 75%
battleship
chance 2 hits = 0%
chance 1 hits = 60%
chance >0 hits = 60%
so, hige edge for the destroyers, plus the chance of 2 hits!
add to this the sub killer ability and and it seems such a better deal

I still say battleships are better, though you need destroyers for support.

If you have a battle with 6 destroyers and 3 battleships, who would have the advantage?
The destroyers would on paper. But, if 3 destroyers hit with one attack and all the BBs’ hit, the BBs have the upperhand. If the BBs’ were the attackers, then they can withdraw with no loses and the destroyer numbers are halved with 36 icp lost.

Battleships are useful for protecting transports from subs. If you get a few casualties, just damage the battleship(s). With destroyers, you’d be losing transports.

Ture. If you do the match numbers you risk losing either 11-14 IPCs if you get hits from subs on a destroyer or transport. However you can also interpret half a battleship as being worth 12 IPCs…

Buying battleships is really quite pointless, the only country that can really even think about doing it is the US, and in my opinion they have to get in the war too quickly to be buying battleships.
Maybe this is strange, but I’ve never played a game in which japan had’nt won or lost by the end of J4. If Japan is going after India, which is often the case, the only hope with an American Navy is to invade mainland Japan, even that is hard to do by the fourth turn, and even this can usually be stopped with sub stalling.
So if I know Japan is going after India, I’ll usually build four bobmbers to harass the Japanese with the only unit that can possibly get there in time, often the japs will leave transports unguarded, thinking them safe.

I just started playing Axis& Allies Pacific 2 days ago. What is Cameron talking about with the 2 hits thing? And I prefer destroyers by the way. Mostly because I use 5 carriers per game and destroyers are necessary to prevent first strikes that would destroy my carriers and possibly both fighters they are carrying. On the other hand, I prefer battleships for amphibious assaults.

:oops: (CORRECTED)

OK,
to clarify a few things -

The bb may be played as a 2 hit to sink it in the same turn(damage repaired at the end of the battles if did not receive 2 hits).

A)bb cost 24 IPCs hits on def/off @ 4 or less(66% chance to hit, 33% chance to miss),
B)can assist in amfib. :P ass. with one shot @ 4 or less(66% chance to hit, 33% chance to miss), and
C)can absorb 1 first shot attack from ss and still shoot back,

COMPARED TO

A) des cost 12 IPCs hits on def/off @ 3 or less(50% chance to hit, 50% chance to miss),
B) can assist in amfib. :P ass. with one shot @ 3 or less(50% chance to hit, 50% chance to miss),
C)cancels all first shot attacks from subs each round the des starts, and
D)enables ftrs to assist in attacks v subs in the same sz in each round of battle the des starts.

So the idea is for 24 IPCs you can get 1 bb that will hit on 4 or less and survive if only takes one hit,

OR

for 24 IPCs you can get 2 des that will hit on 3 or less(def) and lose one if it only takes one hit.
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Did I get it right or confuse my games? - Xi(CORRECTED)
P.S. - The 1999 rules state that the destroyer gets a 3 or less to hit on def/off/amf. ass. :P

At last! someone is paying attention.

arms, b_k
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I am not omniscient, omnipresent, nor omnipotent. - Xi

So, Xi, what is your final verdict? Which one is better? I’m sort of biased since I believe in a BIG ship navy. 8)

Destroyers as Japan,
Battleships as US,
May the best planes win,
or was it plans?
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All’s fair in war and kickin’ ass! - Xi

Sure thing. No subs?

My bb v des post of Aug 25 is corrected

and my opinion of bbs is henceforth changed to

DESs for everyone,
and a few SSs,
US CAs and FTRs, then
BMRs, TRNs and INF.

Eew-kay?

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I think I hear my mommy calling. :P - Xi

Awww… no BB’s :x

Protect what you got and use them to save a ship if you think the other nut will quit after this round.
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I’m sure the decadent US will build plenty of BBs just to flaunt them!
Evil Imperialists! - Xi

Good. Those Iowa Class battleships will be the death of Imperial Japan yet! :)

Oh, yee-aah! Or better yet, YEEEE-HAW! - Xi
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