Minor factories on capure of territory

@Caesar:

Does the rules actually say what happens to a major that is bombed out so bad that downgrading will automatically destroy it due to having more damage than what a minor can hold or are we just applying logic here? Because if that’s the case, you might want to welcome the enemy to bomb your factory if you’re going to lose it.

Pg 21 Europe 2nd ed rulebook
“Any damage previously inflicted on a facility remains in
place until it is repaired (any damage markers beyond 6
on former major industrial complexes are removed).”

@the_jetset:

In fact, it could even be argued that Germany should collect the IPCs for these Vichy French territories after capturing Paris.  … but that might be going a bridge too far.

While I agree with this in spirit, I do think it could be taken too far. You could have people that say it should be this way for all countries: Once the capital is captured, the capturing power now controls all the territories and units of the vanquished nation.
For one thing, this would eliminate any possibility of liberation and I think this game would end up being a sort of Deluxe Risk rather than Axis & Allies.
Imagine this scenario:  Germany goes after Russia and tries punching straight through to Moscow along the north route, thereby NOT taking Ukraine or Stalingrad.  Suppose Japan didn’t attack Russia at all in the far east.  Now suppose Russia was foolish and bought a battleship for the Caspian Sea instead of infantry so they didn’t have a proper defense in Moscow and Germany wins.  Now Germany controls territory all the way to the Pacific and Japan now has a buddy to their north instead of an enemy. Plus, Germany becomes instantly rich, almost doubling their income with all the Russian 2 point territories plus all the troops that were guarding those territories (not to mention Germany’s shiny new battleship in the Caspian Sea.).

I wonder if a crazy rule like this would make games longer or shorter?  Capital defense would probably be even heavier.

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World At War, version: 1.1.9

Game History

Round: 1

Combat Move - Germans
            1 Battleship, 1 Destroyer and 1 Submarine moved from sz16 to sz17
            1 Destroyer moved from sz14 to sz17
            2 EarlyFighters moved from Hamburg to sz17
            1 T.Boat and 1 Transport moved from sz14 to sz16
            2 Artillerys and 3 Infantry moved from Hamburg to sz16
            2 Artillerys and 3 Infantry moved from sz16 to Sweden
            4 Infantry and 1 Tank moved from Gdansk to Danzig
            1 Artillery and 1 Tank moved from Gdansk to Danzig
            2 Infantry moved from Koenigsberg to Estorskaya
            1 Tank moved from Koenigsberg to Danzig
            1 Bomber moved from Berlin to Metz
            6 Infantry and 2 Tanks moved from Muenchen to Metz
            2 Artillerys, 6 Infantry and 1 Tank moved from Koeln to Metz
            2 Tanks moved from Hannofer to Metz
            1 Tank moved from Dresden to Metz
            1 Tank moved from Austrie to Metz
            2 Tanks moved from Nuernberg to Metz
            2 Tanks moved from Hamburg to Metz
            1 EarlyFighter moved from Nuernberg to Metz
            2 Stukas moved from Berlin to Metz
            2 Artillerys and 3 Infantry moved from Austrie to Jugoslavia
            1 Infantry moved from Austrie to Checheslovakya
            4 Infantry moved from Nuernberg to Checheslovakya
            1 Artillery moved from Nuernberg to Checheslovakya
            2 Infantry moved from Nuernberg to Krakow
            1 Infantry moved from Wroclaw to Krakow
            2 Artillerys moved from Wroclaw to Krakow
            2 Infantry and 2 Tanks moved from Wroclaw to Danzig
            1 Submarine moved from sz7 to sz6
            2 Submarines moved from sz6 to sz4
            1 Submarine moved from sz27 to sz22
            1 Submarine moved from sz26 to sz21
            2 Submarines moved from sz22 to sz4
            2 Submarines moved from sz21 to sz4
            1 Submarine moved from sz32 to sz128
            1 Submarine moved from sz56 to sz36
            2 Submarines moved from sz36 to sz139
            1 Submarine moved from sz38 to sz25
            2 Infantry and 2 Tanks moved from Genova to sz40
            1 Destroyer, 2 Infantry, 2 Tanks and 2 Transports moved from sz40 to sz46
            2 Infantry and 2 Tanks moved from sz46 to Tobruk
            2 Tanks moved from Tobruk to N.Sudan

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 1 Elite, 1 Infantry and 7 Tanks; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat - Germans
            Battle in sz25
                Germans attack with 1 Submarine
                British defend with 1 Cruiser
                British win with 1 Cruiser remaining. Battle score for attacker is -7
                Casualties for Germans: 1 Submarine
            Battle in sz139
                Germans attack with 2 Submarines
                French defend with 1 Transport
                Germans win with 2 Submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for French: 1 Transport
            Battle in sz128
                Germans attack with 1 Submarine
                Americans defend with 1 Transport
                Germans win with 1 Submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Americans: 1 Transport
            Battle in Estorskaya
                Germans attack with 2 Infantry
                Russians defend with 1 Infantry
                Germans win, taking Estorskaya from Russians with 1 Infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 1 Infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 Infantry
            Battle in sz4
                Germans attack with 6 Submarines
                British defend with 1 Destroyer and 1 Transport
                Germans win with 6 Submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14
                Casualties for British: 1 Destroyer and 1 Transport
            Battle in sz17
                Germans attack with 1 Battleship, 2 Destroyers, 2 EarlyFighters and 1 Submarine
                Russians defend with 1 Destroyer, 2 Submarines and 1 Transport
                Units damaged: 1 Battleship owned by the Germans
                Germans win with 1 Battleship, 2 Destroyers, 2 EarlyFighters and 1 Submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 28
                Casualties for Russians: 1 Destroyer, 2 Submarines and 1 Transport
            Battle in Metz
                Germans attack with 2 Artillerys, 1 Bomber, 1 EarlyFighter, 12 Infantry, 2 Stukas and 11 Tanks
                French defend with 3 Bunkers, 3 Infantry and 1 Tank
                Germans win, taking Metz from French with 2 Artillerys, 1 Bomber, 1 EarlyFighter, 9 Infantry, 2 Stukas and 11 Tanks remaining. Battle score for attacker is 23
                Casualties for Germans: 3 Infantry
                Casualties for French: 3 Bunkers, 3 Infantry and 1 Tank
            Battle in Krakow
                Germans attack with 2 Artillerys and 3 Infantry
                Neutral defend with 2 Infantry and 1 Tank
                1 Artillery retreated to Wroclaw
                Neutral win with 1 Infantry and 1 Tank remaining. Battle score for attacker is -8
                Casualties for Germans: 1 Artillery and 3 Infantry
                Casualties for Neutral: 1 Infantry
            Battle in Danzig
                Germans attack with 1 Artillery, 6 Infantry and 5 Tanks
                Neutral defend with 1 Bunker, 2 Infantry and 1 Tank
                Units damaged: 1 Bunker owned by the Neutral
                Germans loses 0 PUs for violating Danzigs neutrality.
                Germans win, taking Danzig from Neutral with 1 Artillery, 5 Infantry and 5 Tanks remaining. Battle score for attacker is 13
                Casualties for Germans: 1 Infantry
                Casualties for Neutral: 1 Bunker, 2 Infantry and 1 Tank
            Battle in Jugoslavia
                Germans attack with 2 Artillerys and 3 Infantry
                Neutral defend with 3 Infantry
                Germans loses 0 PUs for violating Jugoslavias neutrality.
                Germans win, taking Jugoslavia from Neutral with 2 Artillerys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 3 Infantry
                Casualties for Neutral: 3 Infantry
            Battle in Sweden
                Germans attack with 2 Artillerys and 3 Infantry
                Neutral defend with 1 Bunker
                Germans loses 0 PUs for violating Swedens neutrality.
                Germans win, taking Sweden from Neutral with 2 Artillerys and 3 Infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Neutral: 1 Bunker
            Battle in N.Sudan
                Germans attack with 2 Tanks
                British defend with 1 Infantry
                Germans win, taking N.Sudan from British with 2 Tanks remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for British: 1 Infantry
            Battle in Checheslovakya
                Germans attack with 1 Artillery and 5 Infantry
                Neutral defend with 1 Artillery and 2 Infantry
                Germans loses 0 PUs for violating Checheslovakyas neutrality.
                Germans win, taking Checheslovakya from Neutral with 1 Artillery and 4 Infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Germans: 1 Infantry
                Casualties for Neutral: 1 Artillery and 2 Infantry

Non Combat Move - Germans
            1 Tank moved from Berlin to Koeln
            1 EarlyFighter moved from Metz to Koeln
            2 Stukas moved from Metz to Koeln
            1 Bomber moved from Metz to Koeln
            2 Infantry moved from Hannofer to Gdansk
            2 EarlyFighters moved from sz17 to Hamburg
            3 Infantry moved from Dresden to Nuernberg
            3 Infantry moved from Dresden to Gdansk
            2 Artillerys and 4 Infantry moved from Berlin to Dresden

Place Units - Germans
            3 Tanks placed in Muenchen
            4 Tanks placed in Koeln
            1 Elite and 1 Infantry placed in Hamburg

Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 67 PUs; end with 67 PUs total

I believe all the replies apply to Alpha 3 and 2nd ed which is what most here play.  In 1st ed OOB Germany itself starts with a minor factory that can be upgraded.  Actually, I think in 1st ed OOB that you can build a major in ANY 3 ipc+ territory.

@KillOFzee:

i have a question, if i buy a minor IC as Italy, and the same turn I take Egypt, can I place it directly in Egypt, or do I have to hold it a whole turn.

You can only place ICs in territories that you controlled at the beginning of your turn.  You would either have to place that Minor IC on another territory worth 2 IPCs or more, or sell it back to the “bank” and buy it next round.  Then you could place it on Egypt, assuming Britain didn’t take it back.

Does this site allow explicit images such as swastikas?

To put it another way, once the battle is over, you no longer have the option of retreating.

It seems every time I get a good idea, I’m forgetting about a rule….